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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 09-03-2012, 08:37 PM Thread Starter
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Fox Body Swap in Basics

If anyone has any input for this thread from previous experience that would be great. Maybe get a sticky out of this since I know we have alot of fox guys here like me. There is not a whole detail to the procedure for the 'easiest' way to install a 460 in a foxbody so from what ive gathered the following are to the get best install:

- Use a full swap kit for full part cooperation
- Install into vehicle with the headers on (being that they are swap headers)
- Install with ~2" k member spacers to tuck under a stock hood ( k member must be from a 5.0 or 2.3)
- Install with the radiator out to reduce damage
- Install with crossmember installed (using stock stang two bolt mount)
- Stock suspension in front will work fine
-Install with trans attached to motor (bellhousing bolts are stupid hard to get at)
- Attach steering linkage AFTER installing the motor.

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Wow. Great idea and topic for sticky. I dunno bout putting all that in at once without mocking up...by stock 5.0 suspension, you mean the stock springs? Stock k member and all with what transmission? Just asking to learn and add.

Oh wait, your k member is modded. Disregard.

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I see many different variations here depending on the parts that are used. I put my headers on after I put the motor in. I didn't want to bang them around. I'm also not sure that you could even get the motor in with the radiator in the car. Motor plate cars are going to be even more different of an install.

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It would be a great sticky if their weren't so many variables between everyone's install. I haven't really seen a cookie cutter kit from anybody. Some are easier than others though.

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Ive done this swap many times with the stock k member,stock 5.0 springs,and 4cly springs w/ a/c to get the front end down quicker

when the car blew the tires off at 60 to 100 feet the 4cly springs were too soft,when it stayed hooked they were great

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Ive done this swap many times with the stock k member,stock 5.0 springs,and 4cly springs w/ a/c to get the front end down quicker

when the car blew the tires off at 60 to 100 feet the 4cly springs were too soft,when it stayed hooked they were great
Are you talking about the rear springs or front springs?


I forgot to mention that this is a good idea but there are so many variations that the sticky could be 7 pages long (but who cares). There are a lot of Foxbody guys out there. Maybe the thread ought to focus on the things that definitely have to change to get the 385 series in a Foxbody and then work the different options further down the list.

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1) Motor mount change
2) Exhaust
3) Transmission
4) Rear end (if converting a 4cyl car).

This way the guys just thinking about doing it will have a decent perspective on everything that has to be changed at a minimum. After that the sky is the limit (ask me how I know...)

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Motor plate car here. I set the 460 in, left the rear of the motor supported with the hoist then installed the trans. Did the headers afterwards, they don't snake around the steering shaft so the install was easy from below.

I did motor and trans install by myself with out any issues. It was just as easy as dropping in a small block. Spark plug access is as good or better than the 351w in my other mustang. I did however convert to manual brakes before the swap.

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My tunnel is enlarged at the top so I can access the top two bolts. I have an AJE k-member with coil-over conversion, no blocks between the k-member and body. I put the 460/c6 in as a unit with the hooker headers sitting in the hole. Wiggle the engine, get the header bolts started and then I put on the front motor plate. Stock 5.0 trans crossmember with minor trimming. My headers wrap around my flaming river shaft and I lowered the front of my steering column about 3" in the firewall to get the u-joint angles right. Manual brakes, manual steering. The FRPP swap pan sits about 1/8" off my steering rack.

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This is great, even though we have alot of variation I think its great to have a good reference spot.

Also forgot to add some stuff
-8.8" rears are direct bolt in
-stock manual steering racks require a smaller pinion flange than pw steering, can be purchased on unisteer (long story lol)
-steering column is collapsable, may 'love' to get to move
-trans tunnel may require massage to fit a glide and possibly others

btw my kaufman swap headrs are the biggest pain to install, I'm going to attempt the install with them on first.

other side note for fox guys, I'm making a guide to shoe horn an 70's f350 alum. rad in w/o ac, if it works lol

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This is great, even though we have alot of variation I think its great to have a good reference spot.

Also forgot to add some stuff
-8.8" rears are direct bolt in
-stock manual steering racks require a smaller pinion flange than pw steering, can be purchased on unisteer (long story lol)
-steering column is collapsable, may 'love' to get to move
-trans tunnel may require massage to fit a glide and possibly others

btw my kaufman swap headrs are the biggest pain to install, I'm going to attempt the install with them on first.

other side note for fox guys, I'm making a guide to shoe horn an 70's f350 alum. rad in w/o ac, if it works lol
Just as a reference... Before I bought my Griffin radiator for my 93 Foxbody I thought I might be able to use the radiator out of my 1974 F-100. After I measured I discovered that there was no way in hell that it was going in there. It would have either stuck up above the hood line by about 8 inches or it would be dragging the ground. Or at least close to it. I imagine that a 70's F-350 radiator is about the same size or bigger than a F-100 radiator. It is a good thought (I had the same one) but probably just isn't going to happen.

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I just put mine in and right now its about an inch from stock hood clearance in stock height, it is quite a thick radiator though.

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A 92 F350 460 rad or aftermarket aluminum unit of the same size will work, I tried the Allstar unit I have here for my 92 F350 4x4 C&C dually.

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I just put mine in and right now its about an inch from stock hood clearance in stock height, it is quite a thick radiator though.
Well that is a good deal. That has to be completely different than the F-100 & F-150 radiators of that era. Mine wasn't that thick (a 3 core), but it sure was tall.

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this is how it sits without modifying the engine bay, once my 460 is in I can go from there for clearance checks but I think it is a definate possibility
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I have pictures in my build blog that I just added of the radiator with my motor in just resting pulley clearance, haven't modified it yet either.

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