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It'd be just as easy to do a 1/16-1/16-3/16" deal . I fail to see the advantage of the 5/64" package.
The advantage is that stock ring sets are significantly less expensive than 1/16". The guys who want a budget piston don't want to spend $120 on rings.

SCJ 460 pistons for less than $500.00 to use with a stock crank and rods....that's what people want.

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The advantage is that stock ring sets are significantly less expensive than 1/16". The guys who want a budget piston don't want to spend $120 on rings.

SCJ 460 pistons and rings for less than $500.00 to use with a stock crank and rods....that's what people want.

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Those rings belong in a tractor. Anything you can afford to put a FRRP SCJ head on deserves a decent piston and ring pack.

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Those rings belong in a tractor. Anything you can afford to put a FRRP SCJ head on deserves a decent piston and ring pack.
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IMO ANY performance build that you want a decent forged piston in another $60 for a good set of rings is money well spent not to mention there is a lot more selection in a 1/16-1/16-3/16 ring set.
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okay might as well go for it....ban me or what ever. you guys with your sky is the limit and your expensive part stuff or nothing is all crap. how many of you guys actually live on a working mans income? do you have a car that you scrounged for? some that offer advice don't seem to even have a car, guys that sell stuff, you got a car? did you personally build it or did the people working in your place of business do it for you? ,,,bob

as pointed out before I am not of your caliber, and glad for it....

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The advantage is that stock ring sets are significantly less expensive than 1/16". The guys who want a budget piston don't want to spend $120 on rings.

SCJ 460 pistons and rings for less than $500.00 to use with a stock crank and rods....that's what people want.

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Carl, check out PBM performance products' 1/16-1/16-3/16 private label ring sets. They have a street price under $100....how much under depends if they are standard gap or file fit sets. I used them in my 547" SCJ headed engine and I'm happy with the results.
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okay might as well go for it....ban me or what ever. you guys with your sky is the limit and your expensive part stuff or nothing is all crap. how many of you guys actually live on a working mans income? do you have a car that you scrounged for? some that offer advice don't seem to even have a car, guys that sell stuff, you got a car? did you personally build it or did the people working in your place of business do it for you? ,,,bob

as pointed out before I am not of your caliber, and glad for it....
To clear this up , I'm not trying to start a fight in either direction... I do to a point agree with you zepher....some of the builders have alot higher budget on their projects... But you also have to remember. Without their "money,time,and Dedication" alot of us including me wouldn't know have the things that we do..they have had the experience/trial and error to halfway guide us.... Yes, some may get a little flustered when Divert from what they may suggest... Iam one of them that went my own way even thought I was suggested so Great idea from members on this site...NO DISREPEcT TO THEM... some people are able to put more money into their projects than others....I'm one of the ones on the luckier side... Ill put this out here and ill be wondering what kinda thought will be running through people minds but.... In my motor alone. I have right around $12,000 tied up into this motor for a Measly 6-650 hp.... Yes I know it can be done for half that price... But I also built it so I can upgrade later on ....as I said. I'm lucky. I went into this build with no real budget...but I put some of the pieces together the way I did just to experiment and hopefully help some people out later down the road as to if it works or not. I beefed up parts that I really didn't need to and spent more on sh1t that I could of got away with alot less ..........i guess what im trying to say zephyr.... I don't believe that any of the builders have something against budget builds... I think they feel that something's they may not agree with due to experience with that part or just personal choice.... I'm just saying this in general... But I've seen people skimp in places they should have and it cost em a motor....me personal rings are not a place I wouldnt be shy with money on

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imtruckin, sounds like you have reached a happy medium. thanks for your thoughts, bobn
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Carl, check out PBM performance products' 1/16-1/16-3/16 private label ring sets. They have a street price under $100....how much under depends if they are standard gap or file fit sets. I used them in my 547" SCJ headed engine and I'm happy with the results.
Probe flat tops for a 4.400" bore......
My thinking of a piston similar to the FPS 460 offering is that it'll give guys doing a super budget build, with SCJ heads, and option. Making it 4032, and press fit only will limit the usage to an rpm/power level where 1/16" rings will be of little to no benefit.

The question of a budget SCJ 460 piston continues to come up because SCJ's are the least expensive, non-ProComp, head available. Some guys are bolting them on top of stock blocks and notching the pistons, others are notching rebuilder pistons. There really needs to be an entry level piston for these guys. There are already 2618 alloy pistons with 1/16" ring packs, there's no reason to duplicate them.

At the end of the day, it's up to Mark if he wants to get into this deal, and own a segment of the market with zero competition, or if he wants to be the "cheap version" of a "real piston". Not that I think his pistons are sub-par or anything, but that's how people will see a lower priced version of an already available race piston.

I'm confidant enough in the idea of an SCJ relief, -15cc dish version of the FPS 460 piston that if Mark wants to make them, I'll buy the first run of eighty pistons to test the market (if we can agree on a price point).


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My thinking of a piston similar to the FPS 460 offering is that it'll give guys doing a super budget build, with SCJ heads, and option. Making it 4032, and press fit only will limit the usage to an rpm/power level where 1/16" rings will be of little to no benefit.

The question of a budget SCJ 460 piston continues to come up because SCJ's are the least expensive, non-ProComp, head available. Some guys are bolting them on top of stock blocks and notching the pistons, others are notching rebuilder pistons. There really needs to be an entry level piston for these guys. There are already 2618 alloy pistons with 1/16" ring packs, there's no reason to duplicate them.

At the end of the day, it's up to Mark if he wants to get into this deal, and own a segment of the market with zero competition, or if he wants to be the "cheap version" of a "real piston". Not that I think his pistons are sub-par or anything, but that's how people will see a lower priced version of an already available race piston.

I'm confidant enough in the idea of an SCJ relief, -15cc dish version of the FPS 460 piston that if Mark wants to make them, I'll buy the first run of eighty pistons to test the market (if we can agree on a price point).

Like I always say, never spend ten dollars when ten thousand will do.

I've had the thought, just never enough data to pull the trigger.
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Tell you what Carl, I''ll get a number on doing a head plate with the dual valve relief...and we can talk about the rest of it, if you'd like.
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okay might as well go for it....ban me or what ever. you guys with your sky is the limit and your expensive part stuff or nothing is all crap. how many of you guys actually live on a working mans income? do you have a car that you scrounged for? some that offer advice don't seem to even have a car, guys that sell stuff, you got a car? did you personally build it or did the people working in your place of business do it for you? ,,,bob

as pointed out before I am not of your caliber, and glad for it....

Yes i do have a car. Been scrounging for parts for years flea markets swaps anything to find some decent second hand stuff. All built by me.

My point was that there are so many "cheap" ring packs for under 100 bux, it is rediculous to use a ring pack that is larger and wont do anything but hurt performance. That is all.

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Some reasons for me being cheap is I have too many hobbies, from fishing to RC car and airplane racing, among other money wasters... I also want a low maintenance deal too, I don't get home from work until 7:00 every night, doesn't leave time for maintenance. That's why i like hyd cams, low horse power, it doesn't break alot behind the flywheel. This car gets double-teched by my daughter each race, so it gets plenty of passes, and I want it to run on 93 pump gas. I already have aftermarket 6.605 rods.

One thing I've also looked at is strokers. When pistons are around $700.00, and a crank needs machined, then all the other related parts purchased, the price really isn't that bad. Then the compression choices are better. I hope this one will make it through the season, then I can decide what to do this winter, may have another choice on pistons by then.
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Tell you what Carl, I''ll get a number on doing a head plate with the dual valve relief...and we can talk about the rest of it, if you'd like.
That'd be great Mark. I'm sure you have more demands on your time than I do, so give me a call whenever it's convenient for you.


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That'd be great Mark. I'm sure you have more demands on your time than I do, so give me a call whenever it's convenient for you.



You don't get me do you.....?..:lol:

I'll call shortly.
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Is there a reasonable priced pistons out there for these heads? I'm not looking to set the world on fire, just a decent bracket set-up, around 10.5 compression.
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X2 Carl. I'll take two sets of those to go please.
You guys asked for em, we've got em! --> 460 SCJ/P51 pistons....$499.95


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