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Water neck with radiator cap?

Does anyone know where I can get BBF water neck with a radiator cap flange built in on top?

Im building a dragster, and my radiator is lower then the thermostat housing.

Im also running the large cap MSD distributor ( 8580)

I seem to remember someone on one of these boards who was building a custom one, But I have been searching for two days and I cant find the thread.

I found this one,
http://www.meziere.com/ps-434-403-wn0013b.aspx

But after calling Meziere, they don't make it any more.
And im really not sure it would clear the Distributor body anyway.
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Had to edit just sseen where you searched.. I've seen what you are discribing. Small Expansion tank with a rad lever cap.
Cut the snout off a old water neck and get a price of 1-1/2 tube with a 90 in it. Cut the neck off a junk radiator at a bone yard, braze it and paint it...02

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Thanks for the reply,

But, Im more interested in one that uses AN fittings for the radiator hoses,
and also has a AN fitting for a overflow tank.

Thanks for your help otherwise.
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For what intake?

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I'm using a stock cast iron now,

and have a Edelbrock Victor (2965) to put on it next.

Im assuming they both will need the same Thermostat housing to work?
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I did the same thing for my first dragster.
No commercially available necks out there like you need.
Not too hard to mark one.
Buy a billet rad outlet for the cap. Dont get a stamped one. Jegs has a nice one with a 1/8 pipe thread hole for an an overflow fitting. You also need a piece of aluminum tubing and a piece of flat aluminum plate.

Get somebody to weld it up for you. Not too hard. Use a stock water neck or gasket as a template for the plate when you make the base.

For the radiator hose just remove the water bypass tube from the intake and tap the hole for an an/npt adapter. 1/2 pipe thread is what I used. I bought one already made up from a friend. Worked great until I sold the engine. Made one when I built a new bullet
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What I did was just as David described with the exception of my tubing comes straight out of the manifold flange. I'm using a small diameter dizzy and it cleared. If you're running a rear engine set up and a over the trans radiator and a tunnel ram, then, like I did, you can turn the runner portion of the manifold around backwards and have the plumbing coming out the rear and it cleans up the whole hose deal and gets the filler neck away from the dizzy. Pretty nice set up if I do say so myself
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It is not recommend to fill you system on the intake manifold. This is the high pressure side of the system and it will be impossible to get all the air out of the system. Unless your radiator is laying down I would just keep the cap on it even if its lower you can add some bleed lines from the top of the intake to the radiator. The other option is to use an expansion tank and use it as your fill point, you just need to make sure it is plumbed correctly. Meziere also makes a water pump with a built in expansion tank.
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No 1:It is not recommend to fill you system on the intake manifold. This is the high pressure side of the system and
(No 2)it will be impossible to get all the air out of the system. Unless your radiator is laying down I would just keep the cap on it even if its lower you can add some bleed lines from the top of the intake to the radiator. The other option is to use an expansion tank and use it as your fill point, you just need to make sure it is plumbed correctly. NO 3: Meziere also makes a water pump with a built in expansion tank.
No1: Why?
No2: False. The highest point in the system will collect any air and act as an expansion "tank". The higest point in the systen NEEDS to be the fill point.
No3: In most Dragsters "every ounce counts". 6061 aluminum is MUCH lighter than cast aluminum of the same strength level so why would you want to put a heavy cast aluminum "expansion tank" (that's designed for street use) on a race car that, #1, is challenged for room any way, and 2, is built to be as strong and as LIGHT as possible?
I'm not trying to bust your chops but, IMHO, you're off in left field with those suggestions.

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check this out.... http://www.429-460.com/t16989-custom...ght=water+neck Keith Fulp can hook you up!
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check this out.... http://www.429-460.com/t16989-custom...ght=water+neck Keith Fulp can hook you up!
Kieth builds excellent products.
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1leg,,, I am familiar with what your talking about, and I agree to some extent.

My radiator has a bleed on the top so that I can make sure that the low side of the radiator and inlet pipe leading to the water pump will have all the air bubbles bled. I talked to one of the salesman at Meziere and he gave me a link to their catalog that explains the whole thing, just like you are saying.

But as White lightening was saying,,, Im not putting that monstrosity on my motor. And paying all that extra money. Besides, I still think having just a hose coming off the thermostat housing outlet will cause an air gap as well, since my radiator is lower then the outlet,

cool40,,, Thank you, thank you,,, That is exactly what I was looking for.
I couldn't find that link to save my butt.

Now i just have to locate Keith Fulp and hope he has time to build one for me.
Thanks again everyone,
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I found his website and sent an email...

Fingers crossed that he will make me one too.

http://www.keithfulpmotorsports.com/
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I found his website and sent an email...

Fingers crossed that he will make me one too.

http://www.keithfulpmotorsports.com/
You can count on Keith to make you one.he can make dang near anything you want if you can draw him a pic.
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I might have one I made out in the shop..

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