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My 521 BBF FAST EZ EFI 2.0 Swap

Well guys, Christmas came early! EFI was on backorder but Summit got mine to me 5 days after it was said to come in… woohoo!!

Anyway here are some pics and things being converted. This is going in my 521 BBF powered 1987 firebird which has just recently gone through a 2004R Overdrive transmission swap with lockup.

Original motor was a 10.8:1 521 BBF, eagle cast crank, eagle Hbeams, Mahle Forged flattops and I gapped the rings for small NOS/boost. Combined with OTB eddy 95cc heads, lunati 61605 cam 241/249, .582/.6" lift, Eddy torquer II port matched intake, Scorpoion 1.73 roller rockers, Jomar Stud girdle, 3/8" Trickflow moly 1 piece pushrods.

Fuel system was a aeromotive 150GPH 18-20psi pump, sumped stock tank, -10 with 100 micron pre filter to pump, -10 pressure line to aeromotive bypass regulator, and -8 fuel log setup to carb, regulator used a -10 return back to the tank. Motor was CARBED with a prosystems 1000cfm Full billet carb and lokar throttle/kickdown cables. NOS system is a 250hp plate kit, 10lb bottle, using a cheapo 110GPH carb fuel pump, and -6 line to a 40 micron filter before deadhead regulator.

Ignition was a stock replacement duraspark (personally recurved with spring kit), MSD Cap adapt. Summit 8.5mm 50ohm custom spiral core wires, and a mallory promaster coil. Ignition controlled by a Mallory 685 CD box with NOS activation, High speed retard, Start retard 10* and rev limiters etc.

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2004R GM OD Trans swap, NX NOS kit

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No pictures. I would however like to see some.

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Here are the mods done.

New fuel system! Using a new Accel DFI EFI fuel pump in place of the aeromotive. DFI pump capable of supplying 800hp at 43psi. Using same -10 feed line from the tank sump with 100micron pre filter. After pump using a -6 braided pressure line which will go to a 40 micron filter attached to the FAST fuel pressure block which will then go into the EFI TB on the motor. Out of the TB will be a -6 braided line into my now CONVERTED aeromotive fuel regulator (my regulator comes with 2 springs, EFI and carb so you just swap in what you want). From the regulator back to the fuel tank will be the original -10 return line. Please see pic of the 40 micron filter connected to FAST fuel pressure block as well as pic of the Fuel system at the tank.

I swapped out the OEM duraspark to use the FAST dual sync Distributer, basically a plug and play with the EFI. Otherwise you would have to modify the stock one by drilling the reluctor wheel and using a set screw (not worth it for me and is not recommended). The Distributer is pricey at like $346 but its billet, uses no moving pieces and is plug and play and has a lifetime warranty. My only concern with the FAST distributer is the small/med size cap and that its taller than the duraspark. Its super easy to setup tho, basically mark the #1 plug and set it so #1 is at 30* BTDC on the balancer and your all done. You can see pics comparing the FAST and duraspark distributers. Replacement parts for the FASt are standard Chevy parts which can be had anywhere. Fast distributer is very good quality and appearance and MADE IN THE USA!! Part # 305015

Pic of the whole EFI kit which I got was the base kit #30400-kit and its everything you need minus the fuel pump/filters/hose and fittings. All the pieces and wiring harness looks super nice and great quality… again all MADE IN THE USA!
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File Type: jpg FAST Distributer installed.jpg (96.0 KB, 167 views)
File Type: jpg MSD OEM Cap adapt vs FAST.jpg (90.9 KB, 168 views)
File Type: jpg OEM vs Dual sync FAST Distributer.jpg (95.4 KB, 156 views)
File Type: jpg EFI Fuel System.jpg (94.7 KB, 161 views)

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521 BBF 10.8:1 FAST EZ EFI 2.0
2004R GM OD Trans swap, NX NOS kit
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Rest of the pics. this is as far as I've gotten since I just got the EFI kit today.

Pic of the fuel pressure block for the EFI fuel pressure sender, and 40 micron Summit filter.

Also everything in the kit.
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File Type: jpg FAST EZ EFI 2.0 Base Kit.jpg (90.7 KB, 115 views)

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Nice I can feel the excitement thru your post, can't wait to see how it's going to run. I picked my Holley up today and stated my install as well.

Question for you in regards to setting you distributor timing, I see you said mark #1 plug and then set the new distributor to #1 @ 30*BTDC, do you mean find your compression stroke and bring #1 to 30* BTDC and drop your distributor in point to #1 on the cap?

Excited for you as well. I hope fire mine up tomorrow if all goes well.

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No pictures. I would however like to see some.

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You must have posted during the time it was taking me to upload photos lol. Pics are up.

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Nice I can feel the excitement thru your post, can't wait to see how it's going to run. I picked my Holley up today and stated my install as well.

Question for you in regards to setting you distributor timing, I see you said mark #1 plug and then set the new distributor to #1 @ 30*BTDC, do you mean find your compression stroke and bring #1 to 30* BTDC and drop your distributor in point to #1 on the cap?

Excited for you as well. I hope fire mine up tomorrow if all goes well.

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You mark the middle of the #1 terminal on the cap on the distributer body so when you remove the cap you can align the rotor with that mark to make sure it's on #1. What FAST tells you to do is set the timing pointer on the balancer to 30* BTDC on the compression stroke, then put the distributer in and align the rotor with the #1 cylinder mark on the body that you made. That way when the distributer is on the #1 cap terminal to fire it's really 30* BTDC. This is bc the fast dual sync distributer already has 30* built into it so essentially your balancing it out to 0*. The FAST distributer also has a advance plate marked with a 50* and 0* mark for setting timing for different setups. And since ther are no moving parts inside like weights or points or springs there's nothing to wear out or adjust.

There is some wiring and routing I'll have to figure out but most Of the harness is preterminated so it's mostly plug and play.
I'm excited but won't be able to drive it for a while. So it would be nice for it to run well and be ready for the summer season.

Wow your Gona get yours done in a day!? That's doable and exciting but I know your prob not Gona sleep with the anxiousness. Good luck and I'll be looking for your thread!

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2004R GM OD Trans swap, NX NOS kit
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I know the timing setup takes a bit to wrap your head around as it's not the conventional way of doing it. The Holley setup is a bit different but once you get the initial synchronized the rest is all electronic, and the say it should take less than 10 minutes to drop it in and sync, then you're ready to fire it up.

I have an electrical background so I am almost wired up and I have my TB install along with the ECU, just fuel pump wiring and install fuel lines and do distributor and I'm ready. I have about 2.5 hours in so far.

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Rest of the pics. this is as far as I've gotten since I just got the EFI kit today.

Pic of the fuel pressure block for the EFI fuel pressure sender, and 40 micron Summit filter.

Also everything in the kit.
is this the system with 4 or 8 injectors?
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It's the 8 injector kit.

Blackbird has graciously agreed to guinea pig this for the rest of us waiting until he figures it out before we buy!
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Cool

I feel that this thread is an outstanding idea as is Dman's...

I am considering the fast system myself and look forward to your experiences and feedback.

Thanxx for taking the time to share Blackbird.







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No problem guys, Glad my experiences can shed some light for you guys to make a more informed decision before throwing your hard earned money at something.

Today I had a lot of landscaping work to do before I could work on the car. But I did get an hour or so to throw the TB on the intake and attach the throttle/TV cable (200R4) and hook up the cooling sensor for the FAST System. I had to move some of my water temp sensors around (Fast pre terminates most of the sensor plugs and It wouldn't have been comfortable (enough slack) in the harness to mount the sensor under the water neck for my tastes… Id rather just mount it closer and make it look cleaner.

Anyways… here are some pics! The TB goes with the color scheme quite well actually and I'd Diggin how it looks so far. Don't mind the TV cable as it hasn't been adjusted yet. I also looked where Im going to mount the Fuel pressure sensor block and the ECM. I originally wanted the FAST ECM right next to my Mallory 685 box on my passenger dash so i could diagnose or keep and eye on the ECM LED indicator lights but it won't fit. Think i will mount it under the dash to keep it out of sight and away from engine heat.

A note for you guys, this TB still has a timed vacuum port (vacuum advance or fuel pressure regulator) and a regular vacuum port I believe (both are 1/8") Then at the bottom back of the TB in the baseplate there are TWO 3/8" vacuum barbs for things like PCV etc. The TB only has 2 connections/wire bundles that connect to the TB. 1.) the main harness connection, 2.) a small 2 wires and thin to the coolant temp sensor. Whats nice about the FAST system is they cover all wires with the nice nylon wire braid. They also provide like 10ft or so of nylon braid to cover the main harness and/or wiring you decide to do.

On a side note… what the HEIL is wrong with Mr Gasket water necks for the ford 460? I just purchased a new one #2664 and just like the first one the mounting bolt holes are off by like 1/16". This is compared to my stock water neck that I have and I could not thread it into the intake. So I drilled out the holes until I could get the bolts through. Thats just crazy…. Anyways I forgot to mention in the 1st post when I changed the water pump pulley to a faster ratio I also deleted my swirl pot (running a straight hose now) and the new O-ring Mr Gasket water neck and installed a stewart warner high flow modded 180* thermostat (3 holes drilled in it).









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Clean install on an already sharp looking motor. I'm interested to see the performance difference for you and Dman.
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Got some more done. Made all the fuel lines and mounted and connected the Fuel filter/fuel pressure block for the EZ EFi 2.0.

Started running the wiring and got 50% of the connections made. Need to run a new feed wire from EFi harness to fuel pump relay and started ripping the Derale fan controller out and figuring out wiring up the fans through the FAST ECM.

Ran the vacuum lines from the TB to my vacuum gauge and EFI regulator port.

02 bungs were welded in place when I fabbed up the headers/exhaust. I have 2 and One was plugged while the other had my innovate WB02 installed. I moved the WBO2 to the other side (behind the Vband) just in case there is an air leak it doesn't affect the engine tune. EFI WB02 installed before the other Vband so it should work fine. I will also be able to check both sides of the engine now for A/F.

Still need to mount the ECM under the passenger dash and connect all the power and grounds, run fuel pump wire to relay and connect to the Mallory 685 box. I then need to rewire the NOS completely for the EZ EFI so i'll start from scratch.








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How were your fans controlled before? I know that with mine I have the contour dual speed fans, so I had a temp sensor in my thermostat neck which would ground out and engage the relay for low speed and then I had a toggle switch I would flip for high speed.

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1964 F100 466 zero decked fuelie 7cc dish pistons, with RHP 2.11 1.65 budget D3 heads, Voodoo cam 219/227, rpm intake, Holley Terminator EFI, MSD Ignition, MSD FORD TFI Distrbutor, 4R70W Trans with Baumann Re-cal kit, US Shift electronic Trans controller with B&M Megashifter, 2500 Dirty Dog Convertor, 3.50 gears with detroit locker.

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