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high torque mini starters?

What are you guys using?
I bought a Summit starter rated at 1.9 hp. My stock starter works but it cranks slow and the cable gets hot. I figured it was time. Plus it's gotta save some weight too!
Well, I took a chance on the Summit starter. It worked three times. Not like three days or three trips. Literally three times. So I remembered the paperwork saying that if you over-tighten the battery terminal it could cause a misalignment of the contacts. (see pics). So I popped the cover off. I was sure I didn't overtighten it but what the heck, I better check. Well, I didn't overtighten it. The side that the battery cable bolts to was making contact in three spots. But the other side was barely making contact.
I could probably "fix" it but I figure this is a crappy design and unreliable. I don't need that. So I called Summit, explained what I saw and said I want a refund. They said send it back, so I am.
This brings me to my question, what should I get? I don't want cheap China crap. This needs to be reliable. Is MSD any good?
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I've had good luck with Powermaster starters thus far.
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thanks, They have some good reviews on Summit's site. Priced about the same.

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I am using a high quality Oreily's reman mini starter for the 92 efi 460 truck with automatic trans. This starter effortlessly spins my 11 to 1 460 with over 200 psi cranking pressure. Cost effective and reliable.



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I am using a high quality Oreily's reman mini starter for the 92 efi 460 truck with automatic trans. This starter effortlessly spins my 11 to 1 460 with over 200 psi cranking pressure. Cost effective and reliable.



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I love that idea, factory stuff that I can get anywhere. I looked up the specs and it puts out 1.4 killowatts which equals 1.9 hp. I couldn't find the gear reduction but should still be better than the 70's type starter I've been using.
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I love that idea, factory stuff that I can get anywhere. I looked up the specs and it puts out 1.4 killowatts which equals 1.9 hp. I couldn't find the gear reduction but should still be better than the 70's type starter I've been using.
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The starter I mentioned is a gear reduction starter. I also take one to dyno that is for the manual trans. Spun my 557 over effortlessly.



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I am using a high quality Oreily's reman mini starter for the 92 efi 460 truck with automatic trans. This starter effortlessly spins my 11 to 1 460 with over 200 psi cranking pressure. Cost effective and reliable.



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Works great on my 14:1 472.
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The starter I mentioned is a gear reduction starter. I also take one to dyno that is for the manual trans. Spun my 557 over effortlessly.



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are the starters different for manual trans? I am currently running a C6 but will be swapping in a TKO 600 soon.

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are the starters different for manual trans? I am currently running a C6 but will be swapping in a TKO 600 soon.


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The starter I mentioned is a gear reduction starter. I also take one to dyno that is for the manual trans. Spun my 557 over effortlessly.



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1,500 watts is just over 2 horsepower.
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hmmm. good to know. Thanks. Do you know what the difference is? If I get the one for an auto now will it work with a Quick Time Bell and flywheel?
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Looks like I may also have an issue because I'm putting a big spline top loader behind my 521 with the QT bell housing in this 66 Fairlane I'm building. All the starters I have are for the C-6

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Looks like I may also have an issue because I'm putting a big spline top loader behind my 521 with the QT bell housing in this 66 Fairlane I'm building. All the starters I have are for the C-6
I don't have an O'Reilys in town but I ordered one from Advance Auto. Limited lifetime warranty. It will be here around 4pm today. I went ahead and got the automatic version. With my old core it was just over $100 so if I have to buy another one when I swap the trans that won't be too bad I guess. I'm just curious what the difference is. None of the aftermarket starters specify auto vs. manual so maybe it's an issue with the F250 transmission? My old starter lined up with the holes on the QT bell and motor plate. Flywheel has the same number of teeth as the flexplate...

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must be the mounting that is different. The automatic starter has 1 threaded top mounting hole and 1 non-threaded bottom mounting hole. Maybe the manual has both threaded? I need to look at my QT bell to see if it's threaded.

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must be the mounting that is different. The automatic starter has 1 threaded top mounting hole and 1 non-threaded bottom mounting hole. Maybe the manual has both threaded? I need to look at my QT bell to see if it's threaded.

We had an old school GM style BBF starter fail several months ago on the dyno I use for ALL BUILDS (my 557 killed it)... Cope brothers racing Tacoma, WA.
I suggested getting a mini just to make setup and tear down easier. The SF901 uses a D9 Bell housing and the dyno flywheel is the early style 176 tooth with provisions for weight addition for external balance BBF's.

The Auto starter which would NOT work after 1 try was traded out for a manual starter and viola' she's been working like a charm every since. I noted a difference not in the tooth count on the start drives but in the shape and the drives location relative to the mounting holes is slightly different as well.



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