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post #316 of 366 (permalink) Old 04-03-2014, 04:56 PM Thread Starter
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well, are the bars fully in yet?

Rear trailing arm kit installed. Waiting for sway bar spacers.

Pinion angle set at 1.5 neg

New 26056 Beehive springs installed at 1.800"

Pulls like a freight train to 6300

950 hp carb re-jetted to 77/87 with 35 IFR's and 70 IAB's From 79 / 90

FAST A/F reads 12.8 to 13.1 at WOT VS 12.3 to 12.5

Feels better a tad leaner.



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I can't wait to see what it does when you get to the track. This has been one of my favorite build threads to pay attention to. Keep us posted.
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I too, have been following this thread intently.

Trying to launch several tons of steel like a Saturn 5!

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Rear trailing arm kit installed. Waiting for sway bar spacers.

Pinion angle set at 1.5 neg

New 26056 Beehive springs installed at 1.800"

Pulls like a freight train to 6300

950 hp carb re-jetted to 77/87 with 35 IFR's and 70 IAB's From 79 / 90

FAST A/F reads 12.8 to 13.1 at WOT VS 12.3 to 12.5

Feels better a tad leaner.


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I'm interested in the beehive spring set up!


12.8-13.1 AF at WOT? That's where my WOT was when i initially put my timing to 30 total but it also touched at 13.2 at 6100rpms. so i put #1 on both primary and secondary to try to keep it under 13.0 the whole range.
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I'm interested in the beehive spring set up!


12.8-13.1 AF at WOT? That's where my WOT was when i initially put my timing to 30 total but it also touched at 13.2 at 6100rpms. so i put #1 on both primary and secondary to try to keep it under 13.0 the whole range.

The track and chassis dyno will tell what AF is best. Seems that there is consensus building that modern fast burn chambers do not need as rich an AF ratio as older less efficient chamber designs.





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The track and chassis dyno will tell what AF is best. Seems that there is consensus building that modern fast burn chambers do not need as rich an AF ratio as older less efficient chamber designs.





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A "Don't try this at home, kids!" disclaimer might apply here. Yours is a carefully planned and executed build that purposely pushes the envelope for pump gas. Part of that process was special attention to cylinder distribution. For the average Joe using a single O/2 sensor reading the average A/F ratio for one bank, I think the generally recommended "safe" range of 12.5 to 12.8 still applies. Running an average 13+ at WOT could see the leanest cylinder(s) in the danger zone on a less than optimized combo.

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A "Don't try this at home, kids!" disclaimer might apply here. Yours is a carefully planned and executed build that purposely pushes the envelope for pump gas. Part of that process was special attention to cylinder distribution. For the average Joe using a single O/2 sensor reading the average A/F ratio for one bank, I think the generally recommended "safe" range of 12.5 to 12.8 still applies. Running an average 13+ at WOT could see the leanest cylinder(s) in the danger zone on a less than optimized combo.
You make a valid point.


My post applies to the SCJ and P-51 chambers only. I specifically stated "modern fast burn" chambers. All of the other offerings for the BBF today are variations of the original bath tub chamber design and as such the 12.5 ish range would apply. In the end trap speed and chassis dyno numbers while keeping an eye on the wide band are going to tell you what your particular combo likes best or needs...

XolieX found that as he moved AF from the low 12's to the 12.8's he picked up 25 hp or more on the chassis dyno. He has an RHP SCJ headed 521.

I should have qualified the statement in that the A/F's were in the high 12's touching 13/1 to 1 at one point not staying above or in the 13's through out several acceleration runs...


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http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...l_ratio_meter/


http://www.bristoldyno.com/tech/airfuel.htm



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Im waitin patiently to Scotty..

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Very cool build!!!

I am waiting to see how the PMT trailing arm kit works out.
I would love to see installation pics as well.

I would like to add that kit to the rear of my 68 Galaxie with 501" BBF.
Drag radials do not hook up well until 3rd gear.

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ok scotty, when's the next track day out there in WA?
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Getting there slow but sure. The ram air set up took all afternoon to set up right...



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THATS A LOT OF BIG SEXY RIGHT THERE...!!! EXCEPT FOR THE KITTY PRINTS ON THE FENDER. I LOVE MY CATS N ALL BUT DAMN...
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Nice intake setup...
I think that the 80's dual-snorkel mustang air cleaners that we were using are restrictive for engines of your caliber(mine is, and it is a much milder engine).
I left a rag in the inner fender well of mine probably 6-8" away from the opening of the corresponding hose on that side and the engine sucked it right up and had it plastered against the outside of the air cleaner element! lol

Aww shoot, I'm getting back in the game again...
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Nice intake setup...
I think that the 80's dual-snorkel mustang air cleaners that we were using are restrictive for engines of your caliber(mine is, and it is a much milder engine).
I left a rag in the inner fender well of mine probably 6-8" away from the opening of the corresponding hose on that side and the engine sucked it right up and had it plastered against the outside of the air cleaner element! lol
My 5.0 HO air cleaner housing with K&N filter cost 8 HP on the engine dyno. Not too bad considering the small size of the filter.


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Kitty prints on the hood too. Just after I washed it too. Damn neighbors leaving their cats out...



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Looks great, can't wait to see what it runs.
It's surprising to me that it loses 8 hp with the air cleaner setup.
I wonder what it would be with the filter out but still using the cold air setup.
Even though it may lose some hp on the dyno, it's possible it will still run quicker with the setup connected.

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