Summit / Jegs Braided An hose

Getting closer on my build and am wondering if anyone has any experience with the Summit or Jegs braided hose?

Are they any good, or should I go for Aeroquip / Earls?

Also, anyone ever ran the Russell pro classic hose? Any experience with it?

Just looking for real world experiences / thoughts.

Thanks guys,
Glenn

I used Summit brand -6 AN braided hose for a fuel line run on a buddies rock crawler I converted to use a fuel cell. It was for a fuel injected engine, so the line was subject to higher pressures. Seemed to be just fine- No problems or complaints with the hose. In my limited experience, I would use it again. Hope this helps.

contact http://www.racepartsolutions.com/index.htm they will hook u up- that summit stuff is junk just my opinion...

Areoquip is great a buddy of mine used summits and said it sucks. the new car in the works is getting aeroquip pushlock hose this time just wanted to try it instead of the braided.

I'd have to agree with the above posts that Summit hose is certainly not the best. I do think it is a cost effective alternative when used sparingly in certain areas, on certain applications. However, for high HP strip use or all out race, I would certainly step up to Earls or Aeroquip. Same goes for the fittings.

Do we have any real confirmation whether Jegs and Sumitt are using same vendor/supplier? I've used some Jegs fittings on my street car without trouble thus far at 40-50psi. I'd think twice about oil lines, that being the lifeblood. I've used Speedway prefab'd lines for brakes for years running about 1200psi on the race car without failure. NOT recommending them, just giving my experience and probably will purchase from them again in future.

I have no interest in any of the above companies. I am not suggesting for you to use them nor is this an endorsement to do so. I hate legal statements to cover our a$$es

I feel like summit braided line works great I use it and I haven't had one issue yet and it looks great I also use there billet inline filters and fittings in a mud truck so they see some pretty good abuse and vibration. just use a little tape around the point where you cut it and you will have no issues what so ever. No sense in paying more when you can pay less and get the same results.

Don't know about the quality of Summit's/Jeg's braided hose, but their "house brand" fittings, while usable, just aren't the same quality as Earls or Aeroquips stuff.

They do work but every once in a while you run across a fitting fresh out of the package with crap threads, burs, swivel connections that don't want to swivel, 37* sealing surface that just won't seal, bad anodizing job, etc, etc.

I run and have run both style hoses and ends. The latest ones that I used were the Jegs brand fittings and hose and I see no quality difference in thier product and earls or aeroquip. DILLGAS said about the crappy threads, anodizing,etc. on the Jegs and Summit brands , I have ran across the same thing with the Aeroquip and Earls time to time. Bottom line if it comes and your not satisfied with the product call them up and send them back.

Travis

My recommendation is to buy teflon lined hose if this is a street car deal. Otherwise, you can smell the fuel seeping right thru the hose lining. Your garage will smell like a fuel dump.

Hey I could have lost my whole setup. No one ever told me that rubber lined steel braided line would break down over time with race gas. I was very lucky it went bad out in the garage and not on the track!!! I run about 27 PSI and I had gas spraying everywhere though the steel braid. Bad, Bad, Bad!!! I can add up maybe 10000 in parts I would have lost!!!!. I'm getting the teflon hose before I run again,

Pat

The jegs stuff works great for me..IMO. Ive used it several times on my stuff and buddies stuff.

but i have seen them break and strip...(IMO my buddies didnt know what they was doing) :wink:

i've got all summit fittings and lines on my truck and it all looked okay. Never used the russel or aeroquip stuff, but I wish I knew about the teflon hose before I did it all.

I'm using Summit hose and fittings on my Fairlane, and I like them alot. I bought their -12 and -10 line for my new fuel pump upgrade. I previously had Russel -08 braided line, and it still looked great inside, after 10 years of pump gas fuel. :D

So what about Earls Super stock hose or any of the other fabric type braided line?

Also, who makes -10 teflon hose?

My recommendation is to buy teflon lined hose if this is a street car deal. Otherwise, you can smell the fuel seeping right thru the hose lining. Your garage will smell like a fuel dump.


2nd what Brian said, my garage which is connected to my house does smell like a gas station so now I have to re-plumb my car with braided Teflon. Anyone interested in any used -10, -8 or -6 hose? LOL

Dan

And here's an update...The crap in CA pump gas causes my poly tank to grow and shrink. It's seeping into (and through, presumably) the plastic causing the polymer to swell. The trunk smells of fuel. I'm not real happy about this; guess it's time to build an aluminum tank.

The lines were a big part of the problem, but now the tank is a couple years old and it's also becoming a problem. Pump gas ain't what it used to be.

Hey I could have lost my whole setup. No one ever told me that rubber lined steel braided line would break down over time with race gas. I was very lucky it went bad out in the garage and not on the track!!! I run about 27 PSI and I had gas spraying everywhere though the steel braid. Bad, Bad, Bad!!! I can add up maybe 10000 in parts I would have lost!!!!. I'm getting the teflon hose before I run again,

Pat

Same thing on my EFI 66 Mustang. First time a hose let go, the car would not start. Smelled the gas underneath & replaced the 5 year old hose. Second time, underhood hose let loose at 45 PSI. Car was running, but gas spraying everywhere. Good thing I found it before driving off, I had just backed it out & got out of the car to get something from the garage.

I replaced them again & am going to go Teflon in the near future. For now, I've put the hoses on a 3 year schedule.

John.

Just some food for thought. I now am a mechanic for the largest garbage company in the world (you know which one) and guess what brand of hose and fittings we use for hydrolics, Aeroquip. I can also tell you that we don't use steel braided hose. I figure if it stands up to in excess of 1500psi and can live through the punishment of a garbage truck then it's good enough for me. I'll be using Aeroquip black fiber wrapped hose in my new fuel system and not steel braided line.

I have been looking and the biggest teflon lined hose I can find is -8 by Aeroquip. I have not been able to find a -10 for my supply line.

I used the aeroquip push loc hose for the first time and its good so far the one thing i liked is the 8an is 1/2" id instead of 3/8"id like #8 braided steel i did the whole car with from cell to carb just make sure you use plenty of lube on the hose and fittings.

And flush the lines! I connected feed to return and ran the pump full bore to flush the lines. I tie-wrapped a nylon sock over where it dumped back to the fuel tank. I had a heaping tablespoon of black gritty crap in the sock after running the fuel system for about a minute.

I am glad im not the only one that worrys about whats on the inside of that braided hose!My friend and I nearly burnt his dads racecar to the ground while he was at work one day.Since then I have watched what brand I bought and what it was made of.I had my first experience with the earls pro flex hose yesterday.The hose is more expensive and so are the fittings but I think it is well worth it.I think where most poeple get in trouble is they think because it is braided steel it will last forever.That could not be farther from the truth.Im with the other guy on the changing the regular stuff out every three to four years.

I have been looking and the biggest teflon lined hose I can find is -8 by Aeroquip. I have not been able to find a -10 for my supply line.

If you have a flaring tool OR NOT (depending on fittings you use)
AND can run the 5/8" tubing up through your chassis without to much trouble - it would save you a ton of money and no gas smell like braided lines.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2DG2558&N=700+4294859343+115&autoview=sku
OR SOME COLOR ADDED
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=RUS%2D639290&N=700+4294859343+115&autoview=sku
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=RUS%2D639300&N=700+400081+301356+115&autoview=sku

FITTINGS
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EAR-165110ERL
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EAR-165010ERL

TUBE NUTS & SLEEVES (Requires AN 37* flare tools)
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EAR-981810ERL
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EAR-981910ERL

proof is in the puddin!!

Simple case of old lines. Car fired up. Fuel puddled under car and was lit off by headers. Two lessons learned: Always check and replace lines, NEVER NEVER fire it up in the shop, push it out the door. If it had not been for a nearby nieghbor 2 race cars and a shop would have been lost.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/598846/fullsize/dcp01148.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/598847/fullsize/kt-fire.jpg

Some of you may recognize this car. This was the before.

The Earl's hose fittings use the 'cutter style' assembly. This is inferior. Keep in mind, this only pertains to their 'hose fittings'. All of their other products (male AN & pipe adapters/fittings etc.) are fine quality.

The Aeroquip and Russell hose fittings use the 'compression style' assembly. This is superior. (If you have an Aeroquip performance products catalog, turn to page 49 for a full detailed explanation on why.)

If you don't have an Aeroquip performance products catalog, you can read page 49 here:
http://www.aeroquip.com/media/performance/A-SPPE-MC001-E-p49.pdf

I have been looking and the biggest teflon lined hose I can find is -8 by Aeroquip. I have not been able to find a -10 for my supply line.

If you have a flaring tool OR NOT (depending on fittings you use)
AND can run the 5/8" tubing up through your chassis without to much trouble - it would save you a ton of money and no gas smell like braided lines.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2DG2558&N=700+4294859343+115&autoview=sku
OR SOME COLOR ADDED
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=RUS%2D639290&N=700+4294859343+115&autoview=sku
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=RUS%2D639300&N=700+400081+301356+115&autoview=sku

FITTINGS
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EAR-165110ERL
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EAR-165010ERL

TUBE NUTS & SLEEVES (Requires AN 37* flare tools)
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EAR-981810ERL
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EAR-981910ERL

As a matter of fact I found that last night. I have the 1/2 in my Pinto and my 56 but I am always wiery of it on a street vehicle even though I have never had a problem. I just want to buy what ever is best and most reliable. I hate replacing parts later.

Considering who I work for, Caterpillar. What ever I have needed our hose shop has been able to make. There has been one line we don't make and that is the line off the air compressor. Trust me, this is not a sales pitch or anything like that.

Our fittings come in a variety of colors as long you want brass color or stainless steel color. :mrgreen:

You can also get our hoses in any color as long as it is black. :mrgreen:

Seeing a black hose and copper color hose and fittings to some may not be as "pretty" as the red/blue fittings or steel braided hose, but I believe there is a fine line between appearance and function. As long it is uniform and neatly routed and secured I wouldn't say a word. If any one was to say something about it, I would put want them to put their money where there mouth is about the actual quality of the hoses and fittings.

The hoses can handle anything that you would run through it, gas, diesel, oil, coolant, several different types of hydraulic fluids, and the mixture of these fluids. Not to mention working pressures of these hoses is 4000psi and the max for what ever summit sells is 1000psi, maybe.

Think about it, you are going to down a track at full throttle for maybe a max of 16 seconds. These hoses and fittings can handle the abuse of a construction site all day every day.

Just goto your local Caterpillar Dealer and tell then what you want and in about 30 minutes your hose is built and ready for use.

Here is the link:

http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=40060&x=7

If you are running regular coolant hose we have silicone heater hose that is blue.

I thought about that myself.Using hydraulic hose and fittings for everthing.That is a very good idea.It is cheaper im sure but it is also very heavy.I am not that much worried about that but alot of poeple are.That is probably the reason more poeple dont use the hydraulic hose and fittings more than they do.Guys who are looking to save weight it matters alot.Most guys like me that ride around on the street and race a few time a year it does not matter,but to guys that do it for a living or bracket race every 1 pound counts.I dont know but I almost did that and may still use that type of hose, because when I get mine I am building now done im going to change it over to e85.Most of the hose I used on mine will not work with it and it would be alot cheaper to go that route!Good suggestion and im suprised more poeple dont use it! :D