bbf in to 91 crown vic

will the small block motor mount perches work for my big block and if not what will i need to make it fit. trying to stay away from a motor plate. also would i be able to use a fox body pan and headers in this application.

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Interesting I own a '97 Merc. Never thought about this swap :!:

this kind of swap is why I registered here.
I've got a 92 crown vic with 250,000 miles on it, and I'm thinking it looks like a great place for a bbf.

Ed Moser from Cincy has a BBF in a Crown Vic but I don't know the year.
http://www.houseofmoser.com/ebay/460/DSC09344.JPG
He has dozens of pics but no descriptions of anything so I don't know what mounts or pan he used. He was a member of the Network 54 Forum so maybe you could try searching the archives. Lee

I'm assembling parts for a big block in my 84 Grand Marquis 2dr...

PM me!

Headers are going to be a pain. I'm going the custom route, $$$...

The fox chassis app oilpan should work. I'm pretty sure that is what Ed is running. I have a line on a Canton 7qt for fox chassis that should work well.

Mounts shouldn't be hard. I was going to actually build my own. Solid mounts. I should look into 70's barge lincoln mounts too. I know the torinos/cougars/LTD II of the era all used the same mounts as well. Some options DO exist. I am probably going to end up breaking out the MIG.

A lot.

Ed Moser from Cincy has a BBF in a Crown Vic but I don't know the year.
http://www.houseofmoser.com/ebay/460/DSC09344.JPG
This car is an '88-'91 model, so if he did it then it can be done. Darkdrifter's '92 however is different as far as sheetmetal goes, but the frame is the same as the box-models, so if the big block fits in a box-model it will fit in the aero as well - hood may not close, but engine will be there :D

Who needs a hood, anyways?

All Ed's pics are posted here:
http://www.houseofmoser.com/ebay/460/

The last 6 or 7 pics on that page are of his headers. Originally I know he was using iron manifolds. One of the header pics:
http://www.houseofmoser.com/ebay/460/DSC09765.JPG

I think he is also a member on CrownVic.net

I'll see if I can find an e-mail address. Lee

Hey everyone! It's a snowy day in Cincinnati! Hope yours is better.

I still have the car and it still runs! It's been in storage for slightly over a year, due to a divorce and some other personal stuff.

The mounts I used were fox swap mounts that I bought on Ebay. The headers came from Ford Powertrain Performance :

http://www.fordpowertrain.com/429-460shortyII.htm

They never exactly looked like the picture, but they fit GREAT.

Greg at Speedydyno.com has a video of it running on the dyno:

http://www.speedydyno.com/videos.cgi?page=2

(It's the last one on the page)

I ended up flipping the AOD transmission support upside down and redrilling it, and it worked perfectly for the long Lincoln C6 that I used. If you used a standard C6, you might not have to flip the center support. Obviously a 4 speed transmission would probably help fuel economy, and nowadays should be absolute must, if you're building a show car.

Mine has 3.08 gears and at about 70 MPH it's running 3000 RPM. It got about 12 MPG on my trip to Owensboro with it.

I never got it worked out and making the power that it should make. The last thing I did was determine that the fuel pump in the car was only good for 225 horsepower. I bought an external pump and some of the mounting stuff, but I needed to do some more work to install all of that.

Let me know if I can answer any more questions!

--Ed

Ed,

Did you have those headers custom built?

They look like they cost a pretty penny.

No, they were as-is from Ford Powertrain Performance. Coated, I think they ran about $750 for the set.

As a side note, I had the car dyno'd in the video above with the cast iron logs installed. I installed the long headers and removed the high flow cats and had it dyno'd again, and it looked almost exactly the same. I anticipate whatever the problem is with it, whether it be fuel delivery, or a cam timing problem, ultimately, the long headers should have made a significant improvement to power output.

--Ed

I'll have to give them a call. They still in business?

Also, do they make in 2" primaries?

I linked it above..

http://www.fordpowertrain.com/429-460shortyII.htm

I really need to pay attention in the morning :lol:

Glad to see you still have it. I heard a rumor that you parted it out, and was scrambling..

http://www.fordpowertrain.com/

Actually, about 6 months ago, I almost bought a second 460 Crown Vic.

Someone on the east coast had built an '89 a while back and let it go to pot. It sold on Ebay for about $1150 and the guy who bought it was supposedly going to part it out and take the motor out of the body. I was pretty close to owning that one, too. :)

--Ed

I was bidding on that same crown vic. Shame it got parted out!

I even tried getting ahold of the guy parting it out...