Larry T's 552 build with stock p-51's 832hp-738tk

my 552 build started about 6mo ago,i am alittle slow but eventually i will get their.drag only motor for 3000lbs 94 mustang with powerglide 9'' rearend with 3.89 gears.i am hopeing to get the car done befor the end of fall so i can make a pass or 2. :D

D1TE block .060 over.
diamond flat top scj pistons .0128 average in the hole for about 13.2:1.
scat 4340 6.7 H beam rods.
scat 4340 4.5 crank internally balanced.
ford motorsports timeing chain set.
kaase p-51 heads +.100 valves Erson springs and titanium retainers "unported".
victor 4500 intake with the carb ears trimed to match carb gasket only.
comp cams roller cam pt# 34-000-9 gross lift .757in .766ex duration 278in 288ex .112 lsa.i may use a wet 150 shot of nitrous :lol:
comp roller lifters.
lanati 1.7 rockers.
Hytec 3/8's x 9.100 and 9.300 push rods.
Jomar stud girdel.
Holley Quick fuel 1250 dominator carb.
Hvc 1" super sucker "10tk & 15hp gain" and 1" open spacer with a gain as well 2-3hp & tk.
dinoed with 2-1/4 cheby headers with charlies adapter. 8)
Kaase oil pump.
rod and main bearings were setup with .0025 clearance.
royal purple 15/40 oil and it did make a slight differance in hp and tk.
28.5* total timeing.
motor is setup to run 112 race fuel.


5000 736tk 700hp
5100 738 717
5200 735 727
5300 730 737
5400 725 746
5500 722 756
5600 723 770
5700 720 781
5800 719 794
5900 718 806
6000 712 814
6100 707 821
6200 699 825
6300 690 828
6400 683 832
6500 672 831.4
6600 662 831.4
6700 651 831


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i purchased most every part from our vendors and members here on this forum,thank you all..........!

VERY tough, well done :D

Wow,

thats working well , nice tight package between peaks

John

Larry , you and family should be proud ....nice job !

thanks, lem i had a all nighter going things were a little fuzzy. :lol:

this was a fun build that me and my dad did together.he is 72 years old and a retired automotive machenest that worked for napa for about 49yrs.when i was at home we would build 3-5 motors a week in the evenings.building everyday use motors and street strip motors was fun to me.i learned alot but i will not clame to know everything.this was the first motor my dad had built in 2 years.we did alot of prep work to insure that their was no problems.sure their was a bump in the road here and their but no big problems.for a motor build that is basicly out of the box purchase he was verry excited about it.now that he has seen the dino sheet,he wants to make a slow pass in the car!he hasen't been in a drag car in at least 40yrs.i am sure he is in for a surprise! :shock:

here is a picture of my dad during the build.

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Very Impressive! That looks like Mike Phillip's Dyno :idea:

no dought about it i was up their at mikes 2 days ago nice groupe of people.i am 510 miles from you guys here in asheville north carolina.i spent about 120.00 in fuel their and back :roll: but it was worth the trip.

Damn impressive Larry. I'm guessing that MSD distributor is the one you got from me. I feel almost like a proud parent to know that it is residing in an 832 horsepower engine. Just let me know if you change your mind about the Edelbrock 800 Carb though. I'm sure your motor wouldn't lose more than 400 horsepower running it instead of the 1250 dominator. haha.

yes that is the same distributor i got from you,it works verry well.i sent it to lem to get the bronze gear put on and new lite springs put in.i put you a better picture up so you could see it in its new home.thanks again....

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Larry , have you had a chance to get that monster in the car yet ?

not yet lem,i just talked with the guy that's doing the chassie work and it maybe the end of june befor i get it back.he has a customer with 2 cars that he is building a front end for each and then i am next.i will be picking up the powerglide after work friday.i am confident i will meet my goal to make a pass in the car by the end of fall. :wink:

Hey Lem,

Are those the magic hp making dyno headers I have heard so much about on Larry's engine :roll: ?



Blake

whats the reason for the aluminum spacers guys on the headers ?????

Adapter from BBF head to BBC headers . Charlie designed them .

Hey Lem,

Are those the magic hp making dyno headers I have heard so much about on Larry's engine :roll: ?



Blake

Cheating isn't it :lol: Must be the "magic" rust on them :P

Almost sacreligious, BBC headers and chebbie ORANGE RTV. At least he could have used black or green or BLUE. Very impressive power. :lol:

Very impressive results....


I wonder what a similar engine would make with 11:1 pump gas (93 oct) and maybe a hair less cam....hmmmm

I would opt for the 80s big hair cam myself. :wink:

Very nice numbers, 8) Cant wait to hear about track times! keep us posted.

Nice job! Larry, you from Asheville? Small world. Just right across the mountain in Haywood county...

Whose dyno and where?? I would be interested in dyno'ing a motor as well and have no idea where to take it to near Asheville.

Ken

Nice job! Larry, you from Asheville? Small world. Just right across the mountain in Haywood county...

Whose dyno and where?? I would be interested in dyno'ing a motor as well and have no idea where to take it to near Asheville.

Ken

Ken,

The dyno you see in the picture is at Mike Phillip's place in Owensboro KY.

Automotive Machine and Performance

http://www.automachperf.com/

thanks guys,i owe a big THANKS to LEM and CHARLIE!when i called lem i knew i wanted the p51 heads and the motor to be a full roller.so we talked and he helped me pick out the best componets that i could afford.sence the block is a 2 bolt we didnt want to go overbord with hp and not to make the motor unreliable.i have left a little in the bag so i can use the nitrous when needed.

:arrow:

hello lem,charlie & everyone.i should have the car back befor the end of september.the car will have a new 9",wolfcraft swaybar kit,mini tubed and crome molly cage.befor i took the car to him i had installed the Aje crome molly front end kit.i have a cooks powerglide with the ptc 9" tork converter,Jw bell and wheel.i have been buying good used or new parts from our members radiator,altenator,starter,hoop kit,throttle cable assembly etc.

i called ptc about the converter to get information about it.they said it was spragless and should hold between 52-5600 on the trans brake.he also said it was the tightest 9" they make so it should be good for nitrous later on. 8)

8)

hello lem,charlie & everyone.my chassie guy is the big hold up at this time.he tells me i should have the car back befor the end of september.the car will have a new 9",wolfcraft swaybar kit,mini tubed and crome molly cage.befor i took the car to him i had installed the Aje crome molly front end kit.i have a cooks powerglide with the ptc 9" tork converter,Jw bell and wheel.i have been buying good used or new parts from our members radiator,altenator,starter,hoop kit,throttle cable assembly etc.

i called ptc about the converter to get information about it.they said it was spragless and should hold between 52-5600 on the trans brake.he also said it was the tightest 9" they make so it should be good for nitrous later on. 8)





I hope they do a little better on yours than they did on Blakes they missed the whole ballgame on his...



Randy

73 incher :lol:

I hope they do a little better on yours than they did on Blakes they missed the whole ballgame on his...
Randy[/quote]


hummmmm i hope you are rite......didnt blake have a 8" and then went with the 9" converter?if i remember correct he did or wished he had and that is why i went with the 9".

cook was trying to sale me a 8"but i knew it needed to be bigger.he told me the 8"is what he is useing in his cars.he has a 88 thunder bird with a 521 i think.he also has a new late 60's mercury cyclone with a 514,i wish i had my camera with me.i seen him run the T bird at shadyside with a mid 6 sec run,i think he runs pro bracket in his cars.

Just getting into the big blocks, was a windsor boy before. Got a SVO Ford 460 raceing block
Diamond pistons 11.2 coated 80 over
Kasse P-51's stock
Eagel bottom h-beams 6.8
4.5 stroke takes to 557 cid
1050 GB 4500 carb
Vic jr intake port matched
Hustler headers 2 inch to 3.5 collectors
Full solid roller with rocker gurdle on 1.73 ratio
2 sticks to try 718 with 308/318 on a 110
and a 790 with 278/281 on a 109

Going to spin to about 6-65, should have on the dyno in a month.
Have any idea how much it will make?

Larry T,

When I saw the pic of your dad I immediately realized who he was. He did the block and crank machining for my 400M powered Ford EXP drag car. I hated to hear that he had retired as he was considered by many to be the best machinists in the region, especially on cranks. Not only that he's a great person to boot. He blew my mind one day when he showed me how to straighten a bent crank. If you only absorb a third of what he knows about you'll still be smarter than 90% of automotive mechanic/machinists.

Tell your dad that that ole 400M clicked off a string of mid 5.60s off the trailer with no tuning in some really nasty air this summer. I think he'll like that.

Monty

Larry T,

When I saw the pic of your dad I immediately realized who he was. He did the block and crank machining for my 400M powered Ford EXP drag car. I hated to hear that he had retired as he was considered by many to be the best machinists in the region, especially on cranks. Not only that he's a great person to boot. He blew my mind one day when he showed me how to straighten a bent crank. If you only absorb a third of what he knows about you'll still be smarter than 90% of automotive mechanic/machinists.

Tell your dad that that ole 400M clicked off a string of mid 5.60s off the trailer with no tuning in some really nasty air this summer. I think he'll like that.

Monty

i will be sure to tell him i am sure he would be interested in how everything turned out.he talkes about some of the work he did on special projects people came in the shop with everynow and then.he still gets that gleam in his eyes when he talks about the cars he has had.the guys at the shop use to call him larry bernstene from some of the massave burn outs he did,thing is he's not a bernstene fan. :lol: as for me i am not the smartest candle in the box but at least my candle has a blue flame heheheh.

tell us about your motor monty........

up date:i dont think it will be ready for the 09 bash. :(

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take the car and find a chassie guy that actually wants to earn his money.

I grinned as I looked at your dad's picture. If he lost his hair on top and the mustache I be a spitting image of him. I'm only 65.
The advise to ghange builders is good. I had a guy help me with a build-up several years ago. He didn't seem to want to getr started on it like you described and when he finally, reluctantly, did , he rushed through it and it wouldn't pass tech. I had to go through it myself and correct many of his crappy welds and lay out a few things differently.
I'd been better off finding someone that wanted to build it instead.

How's this for being slow to reply? :?

Engine Specs:
1978 400 Ford block and crank.
1971 Cleveland 4V closed chamber iron heads
Home-made HiPort Plates for the exhaust ports and minor porting and filling of intake port.
Home-made/Designed sheetmetal/TunnelRam hybrid intake
Home-made/Designed headers (large/short primary with long tapered collector)
Bore: 4.04
Stroke 4.125 (thanks to Larry,,,is it Sr?)
13.7 CR
Aluminum 6.967" GRP rods
Reed Solid Roller 277/286 @ .050 on 110 LC .751 lift installed at 112 IC
Twin Rons Toilets 3.75" on methanol

Just ran a race at Bradenton FL and ran 5.61 @ 122.4.

BTW the thing ran 6.05 with flat top pistons, stock rods, stock stroke, minor head work, a flat tappet cam and a tunnel ram w/2 660 center squirters on race gas. :shock:

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i allways liked the EXP body style especally when their is 8-12" of air under the front tires :lol: .thats a nice setup,you guys will have to load up and go up to the 09 bash in kentuckey.

my son finally got a video of the motor on the dyno put together.the first of it is on the inital start up and carb fuel level adjustment.the boys were disapearing on me i soon found them out back :lol: i am glad i got to here it run even through those big mufflers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7kU206UPM0

Impressive, you put together a good combo. That is great power and low RPM's for it!

just a few question on the P-51's

Do they bolt to a std d1 block

Do you need special pistons

Do you need special rocker gear / guide plates etc

What headers do they take

Whats the lowest intake manifold that will fit

just a few question on the P-51's

Do they bolt to a std d1 block

Do you need special pistons

Do you need special rocker gear / guide plates etc

What headers do they take

Whats the lowest intake manifold that will fit

yes the p51 heads are a direct fit no mods needed.

yes you will need pistons that have the valve reliefs for the scj.diamond brand pistons is what i used and are a stock on the shelf item.

the rockers were lanati 1.7 stud mount nothing special off the shelf item.guide plates were scj ford replacement part off the shelf item.

i used the jomar scj stud girdle.they maybe other brands avalable as well but the jomar is top of the line.

anyone of our vendors on this forum can help you get what you need in a packadge deal.

i am not qualified to answer your question about the intake.i am sure someone that knows will chime in with the correct answer.

the headers that i have are from hooker for the 460 swap in to the mustangs.what i will do later on is use a set of charlies adapters and buy a 2-1/4 bbc header kit that you weld up your self.the adapter and bbc headers is what we used on the dyno.

thanks for that

How much compression would you get on a 501 with flatops?

Im only asking as these seem to be well priced heads and i wouldnt mind some for my 501

thanks for that

How much compression would you get on a 501 with flatops?

Im only asking as these seem to be well priced heads and i wouldnt mind some for my 501

Diamond's catalog says 12.5 to 1 with a 72cc combustion chamber.

I like this build. I'm doing a 528 (.060 over 4.3 stroke 6.8 rods)with 13.3 compression P51's port matched Weiand tunnel ram with two 750's 2.125 SuperComp headers. Hope to hit similar numbers. Had the carbs, ebay deal on the intake. Suspect overall similar output as Victor Domi. Price of good Domi pays for convertor. Hope to have it on dyno by end of April. I suspect it will be close in power will have to see how it fares for tq with the t-ram. I went a tid conservative on the cam to keep power peak under 7k. 290/298 advertised 264/272.050 about .725 net lift 110 LSA with 1.73 Scorpion rockers. Cam was originally intended for limited street pump gas and changed my mind the day I ordered the pistons! We'll see how it works out. It will eventually end up in a 71 Torino Brougham(lightened considerably shooting for 3400 lb staging weight). Should have enough to run the 6.0 heads up classes with a good bit of reserve for qualifying.

one of dyno graphs...

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:D

these are from around november 08

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fresh build pictures from 02/27/09

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wow thats one wicked cage

fresh build pictures from:3/27/09 i am pleased with the Quality of the work".

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wow ---looks great Larry

Nice Fab work Man !!! are yeah sure that axle housing brace is strong enough> LOL ..Great work..

4/15/09 update check out the welds.matt hutchenson at The Weld Shop in shelby nc is doing the chassie and fab work 704 480 7342.

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those are the work of a master craftsman!!!
would seem a shame to paint them afterwards, just buff them then clearcoat them.

Been awhile since I checked this thread. Looking very good! I have a major hankering for a car. I am still a year out in my shop on other work before I can do one for myself. Keep us posted when it is ready to go. I would really like to come and take a peak at!

Ken

Been awhile since I checked this thread. Looking very good! I have a major hankering for a car. I am still a year out in my shop on other work before I can do one for myself. Keep us posted when it is ready to go. I would really like to come and take a peak at!

Ken

will do ken,
i was at matt's shop 2 weeks ago.he has installed the tubs,dash,steering collum,shifter,master cylinder,brake and gas peddle relocated.things left to do is battery box,tin work,front wheel limiters then we can put the motor in place for the motor plate welding.it seems like a short list but it takes a while hopefully i will have it back by the end of june.

update 6/01/09 we were at the shop saturday droping off the motor and tranny.matt has to locate and weld the plates etc for the motor plates.he has a short list to finish up then its ready to paint.maybe in a week or 2 it will be ready to pick up wahoooooooo i cant wait.

my son made a video while we were their.he needs to slow down a little so we can see things better but you can get the idea of whats going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFEE8ZJaXOo

looks great Larry :)

Nice looking ride man :cool:

well we have paint pictures and some assembly to report today 6/4/09.

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very nice build up. cant wait to see the finished product and final numbers.(et)

I used to do work with my dad until he passed. our finest work was a 70 nova with a 496 on a 9 inch tire that went 9 teens on a 200 shot. I had this car in 1988-89.

I wish I would have learned more from him, cherrish the time now and learn as much as possible.

Looks great Larry ..... who's k-member ...lots of room .... :)

6/14/09 update the car is now at home.we still have lots of work to do befor i can take her to the dragstrip.
the front end is from AJE it orignaly had motor mounts for the factory hook up.i wanted the motor plates so while it was at the chassie shop that was the time to do it,matt added the brace on each side.the motor plate and mid plate is from skinny kid.matt said he normaly puts the motor lower but the instructions didnt call for that.i have about 2 1/2 inches all around the steering rack and oil pan.

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sweet idea on the front limiters ........ very nice .....

Any ideal when and where to make first passes? I'd like to be there for that.

Any ideal when and where to make first passes? I'd like to be there for that.

i am hopeing to have the car ready to go to shadyside by the end of july.we may get some extra time off from work depends on how the GM & Chrysler thing goes.i will keep you guys posted maybe some of that live close would want to meet up for the test and tune on thursday night?

sweet idea on the front limiters ........ very nice .....


nick do you have limiters on your car?if so what is your experance with them?

Where is the shady side track located at

look under shadyside.com and you can get the directions they are in shelby nc about 5 miles off hwy 74.

nick do you have limiters on your car?if so what is your experance with them?

i do have limiters on the car ..... but they have a hair of tension on them .... i will put them into good use once i up the juice :D

look under shadyside.com and you can get the directions they are in shelby nc about 5 miles off hwy 74.
http://www.shadysidedragway.com/

Lonnie

Other than the week of Mustangs at Myrtle Beach (19-25) July, count me in. Let me know when I'll be there.

7/26/09 update:

well guys i am not going to have the car finished until late september.i have many things done but i am only a one man band.i just finished the wireing i dont clame to be a wireing guru but the K&R kit makes things simpler.the next thing to tackel is the headers i am going to try and modify the hooker swap headers.the headers dont fit too well on the passenger side so i have purchased some J tubeing to fix the problem hopefully?their is a problem on the drivers side with the steering shaft rubbing may not be that big of a deal.

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Lookin Good man

well i know im alittle late with the update but i have been busy as a midget at the wwf as kicking contest hehehehe.

ill start with the headers,i did the best i could with what i had to do with.

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here is the brake stuff.

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here is the fuel system.

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here is a video of the second time went to the track nothing to crow about but atleast we got to make 4 runs before the weather turned bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br0lt5KZdSc

Congrats! Nice music .

Lem,you mite like the music on this vid a little better heheheheheh......



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