Adding Oxygen

I got to thinking today, and was wondering if adding oxygen either under the carb or even into the top of the carb would help make power? I'm sure you would have to add more fuel but was just wondering if it would help. I would think that pure oxygen would burn better and make more power, or mabey some kind of torch affect.:o Just thought I would post this brain fart up and see if anyone had ever experimented with it or if it is just another crazy idea. Let's hear your thoughts.

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i think if you did that youd end up burning holes in your pistons because the oxygen wouldnt get distributed properly and would cause it to run lean

Someone should do it in the name of SCIENCE!

Isn't this exactly what Nitrous Oxide already does, but with nitrogen added into the mix to condense it?

Easier to use the N2O. But back in the late 60s-early 70s Mickey Thompson messed with a pure oxygen/fuel [don't remember if it was alcohol, gasoline or nitromethane or a mix] but the engine [Boss 429] had a closed induction system and a huge oxygen tank and a very large regulator. The oxygen was fed directly into the engine under high pressure and used no air from the atmosphere. Engine, installed in a funny car, made ungodly power, most was unmanageable and the engine was very expensive to run. Needless to say the project didn't go very far.

if i remember right. that is why they use no2. you get some liquid properties with nitrous that you don't get with straight oxygen. in liquid form i don't think oxygen has any pressure. i'm sure it would as it boils off. i remeber in grade school a guy came with liquid oxygen and he had a container he could open. he put a hotdog wennie in it for a few seconds and it was so cold , it froze it and it broke like a twig. the nitrous guys would probably know alot more than i.

steve

if i remember right. that is why they use no2. you get some liquid properties with nitrous that you don't get with straight oxygen. in liquid form i don't think oxygen has any pressure. i'm sure it would as it boils off. i remeber in grade school a guy came with liquid oxygen and he had a container he could open. he put a hotdog wennie in it for a few seconds and it was so cold , it froze it and it broke like a twig. the nitrous guys would probably know alot more than i.

steveThe Hot dog guy prob used liquid nitrogen. Liquid oxygen has to be under high pressure to remain liquid at ambient temp. Nitrogen can be kept in liquid form without pressurization if kept in a well insulated container. A friend of mine uses liquid nitrogen to freeze valve seats when installing them in Harley heads. He pours a small amount into a open steel container with the valve seat in it and waits a few minutes for it to boil off, picks up the seat with pliers and places it in the head and seats it with a installation tool and a hammer. If memory serves liquid nitrogen boils at -190 C or -321 F

Back before the ark was launched, there was a picture, I think in Hot Rod, of a flathead FORD on Barney Navarro's "dyno". Engine made over 400 BHP...just before it blew up. The caption stated that they were using Oxygen.

Back before the ark was launched, there was a picture, I think in Hot Rod, of a flathead FORD on Barney Navarro's "dyno". Engine made over 400 BHP...just before it blew up. The caption stated that they were using Oxygen.They always run best just before they break.

n/a motors have been in exsitance for a year or 2 now. maybe noah or moses did'nt have one, but lincoln's mama did. so i'm sure that there were rednecks then as now. so you can bet that somebody said, "ya'll watch this"

steve

Isn't this exactly what Nitrous Oxide already does, but with nitrogen added into the mix to condense it?

Nitrous is two parts nitrogen and one part oxygen the nitrogen atoms act as a buffer or dampner to control the combustion process. oxygen by itself would burn way too fast.

Nitrous is two parts nitrogen and one part oxygen the nitrogen atoms act as a buffer or dampner to control the combustion process. oxygen by itself would burn way too fast.

Oxygen by it self would go boom or I should say burn like a torch

I'm fortunate , very fortunate to be friends with a guy named Danny Crower his father is Bruce Crower. As Bruce told me when I mentioned this theory of injecting oxygen into a engine Bruce mentioned that the nitrogen in Nos and our natural atmosphere is the "working fluid" that makes the combustion process work the way it does. As the oxygen burns the nitrogen heats and expands as it expands it forces the piston down just like a bullet getting shot out of a gun. Nos just magnifies the process.

When I was 16 ( yiiiikes 29 years ago) a guy who worked for my dad had lived in Kansas as a teenager and young adult. He was a mechanic on hot Summer nights when they got to gether on cruise night and would go racing he put a small oxygen bottle in his trunk the line ran through the car and he had a welders torch in the car and a hose that ran under the lid of the air cleaner. On those hot Summer nights He would squeeze the to give it a bit of oxygen and the car would pick up a few 100 rpms. He said he would always up the jet sizes 4-6 jets on cruise night.

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Thanks for all the replies, I was just thinking at work today and this was one that I just wanted to know more about. Curiousity I guess.:D

Oxygen by it self would go boom or I should say burn like a torch

I'm fortunate , very fortunate to be friends with a guy named Danny Crower his father is Bruce Crower. As Bruce told me when I mentioned this theory of injecting oxygen into a engine Bruce mentioned that the nitrogen in Nos and our natural atmosphere is the "working fluid" that makes the combustion process work the way it does. As the oxygen burns the nitrogen heats and expands as it expands it forces the piston down just like a bullet getting shot out of a gun. Nos just magnifies the process.

When I was 16 ( yiiiikes 29 years ago) a guy who worked for my dad had lived in Kansas as a teenager and young adult. He was a mechanic on hot Summer nights when they got to gether on cruise night and would go racing he put a small oxygen bottle in his trunk the line ran through the car and he had a welders torch in the car and a hose that ran under the lid of the air cleaner. On those hot Summer nights He would squeeze the to give it a bit of oxygen and the car would pick up a few 100 rpms. He said he would always up the jet sizes 4-6 jets on cruise night.

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The nitrogen isnt what makes the power or forces the piston down its there for the dampnen effect or to control the burn rate of the oxygen or it would melt everything.The power comes from the ability of the oxygen to burn more fuel by burning more fuel higher cylinder pressures are created thus more power.

Nitrous is two parts nitrogen and one part oxygen the nitrogen atoms act as a buffer or dampner to control the combustion process. oxygen by itself would burn way too fast.

Yeah, it was more of a rhetorical questions, knowing that N2 has the cooling effect and the oxygen makes the power.

I think if oxygen by itself could be made to produce oodles of power safely it would already be done....N2O is as close as we're gonna get.

Cheers!

the thing is if you do this you still have to add more fuel to compensate for the added Oxygen being put in so in essense the N20 is the way to go. it is proven and you will be at your own mercy if you try strait Oxygen, not knowing where to start and or where to go from there.....Like N20 if you just add it you go automatic Lean so you have to add lots of fuel to keep it from Roasting pistons......



Randy

the thing is if you do this you still have to add more fuel to compensate for the added Oxygen being put in so in essense the N20 is the way to go. it is proven and you will be at your own mercy if you try strait Oxygen, not knowing where to start and or where to go from there.....Like N20 if you just add it you go automatic Lean so you have to add lots of fuel to keep it from Roasting pistons......



Randy

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The nitrogen isnt what makes the power or forces the piston down its there for the dampnen effect or to control the burn rate of the oxygen .

What do you think the 85% of nitrogen in the cyld does when the oxygen is burning ? . It heats and expands when oxygen burns it consumes itself..... I'll stick with Bruce's explanation.

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I think if oxygen by itself could be made to produce oodles of power safely it would already be done
Cheers!

I think someone told me someone once built a streamliner with a sealed intake system charged by oxygen bottles. I forget what the fuel requirement was (?)

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What do you think the 85% of nitrogen in the cyld does when the oxygen is burning ? . It heats and expands when oxygen burns it consumes itself..... I'll stick with Bruce's explanation.

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I already said it once its used to controll the burn rate of the oxygen remember the nos isnt gonna do anything without fuel its non flammable.

nos isnt gonna do anything without fuel its non flammable.

Yeah,

I put out a fire on the boat last year with a bottle of Nos after the fire extinguisher ran out and the fire was still going. ;)

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The danger is that pure oxygen with any sort of fuel (cotton filter material, your t-shirt, virtually anything that can burn...) creates an explosive mixture and happens without warning.

So, it's pretty much avoided...there's a far better alternative (N2O).

That said, I've done it. I've also done stupider stuff than that...like spraying water mixed with potassium perchlorate. (KCLO4) into an oilburner boneyard 5.0 to see how much power we could make just for giggles. 424rwhp before the plugs melted. All we changed was the fuel pump, MAF, and injectors...then calibrated it rich and started spraying liquid death.

The power isn't what killed it...the salt deposits in the combustion chambers did. :)

B

The danger is that pure oxygen with any sort of fuel (cotton filter material, your t-shirt, virtually anything that can burn...) creates an explosive mixture and happens without warning.

So, it's pretty much avoided...there's a far better alternative (N2O).

That said, I've done it. I've also done stupider stuff than that...like spraying water mixed with potassium perchlorate. (KCLO4) into an oilburner boneyard 5.0 to see how much power we could make just for giggles. 424rwhp before the plugs melted. All we changed was the fuel pump, MAF, and injectors...then calibrated it rich and started spraying liquid death.

The power isn't what killed it...the salt deposits in the combustion chambers did. :)

B

Now that sounds like fun!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wounder if you ran a sealed intake system that ingested N20 only with the correct mixture of fuel of course how much more power it would make with a total of 33% oxygen ?

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You're really only limited to your imagination...that could be done.

Ever heard of the Turboniques guys. Those guys were a bunch of serious nuts...god love em.

I would absolutely love to make a hydrazine powered V8.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrazine

Imagine a direct injection engine squirting hydrazine through a catalyst cartridge into a chamber containing a piston and an exhaust valve.

In other words, a diesel engine with modification.

Oooofta, that would be fun. The trick would be the metering. You don't get two chances to get that wrong. :)

Shades of "Dr. Dean and his hydrazine machine". Oh, BTW, Oxygen does not burn...it merely supports combustion, (7th grade science class).

Yeah,

I put out a fire on the boat last year with a bottle of Nos after the fire extinguisher ran out and the fire was still going. ;)

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OK i give up Bruce was right.

I know when I worked EMS we had to be very careful with medical grade oxygen because medical grade O2 and petroleum products can cause spontaneous ignition. It was mandatory to make sure any patient had make up nad everything else off before putting any O2 mask on. I'm guessing that putting pure O2 into an atmosphere were gasoline is being sprayed around could probably burn before it got to the end of the intake runner.

I know when I worked EMS we had to be very careful with medical grade oxygen because medical grade O2 and petroleum products can cause spontaneous ignition. It was mandatory to make sure any patient had make up nad everything else off before putting any O2 mask on. I'm guessing that putting pure O2 into an atmosphere were gasoline is being sprayed around could probably burn before it got to the end of the intake runner.

By "spontaneous" I don't think they are suggesting that oxygen starts a reaction that causes something to combust. They're most likely suggesting that an unexpected fire can occur...which is completely true. Static electricity is enough to touch off most anything flammable when it's saturated with oxygen. I did an experiment once with a cotton ball and just about caught myself on fire. The thing flashed so violently it shot burning mini fireballs all over the place. I've heard stories of welders with holes in oxygen lines saturating cotton jeans only to find themselves naked with 2nd degree burns and in considerable pain after firing the striker.

Well I wasn't planning on tring it but figured someone had and was just curious of the results. But this has been pretty interesting.:D