Lincoln Mark V build-up

Figured you might enjoy some pics of the father in-laws Givenchy edition Mark V.
He found it in a barn in upstate NY. It had sat for 10 years, rotting. It was still solid on the underside though.
I got it running for him and he drove it in that condition for a couple of years as a summer fun beater. It burned oil like crazy though....a quart every 100 miles!!! I did a compression check and everything looked good? I wondered if the oil use was caused by something other than bad ring seal. We ended up doing a cheap topend rebuild. The parts we used were, pre72 timing chain (non retarded), Summit racing cam (204/214), Edlebrock valve springs, performer intake, 750 carb and recurved the distributor. The drivetrain recieved B&M shift kit and 3.00 gears in the nine inch. The sucker runs really strong now!! From a roll, it will stay pretty close to my wifes '00 5speed Mustang GT. The oil use came from wasted valve seals and leaking intake gaskets. It still uses oil though....now only 1 quart every 1000 miles. But hey, it has 133,000 miles and 10,000 of the last miles were in hopped up condition with us not being very gentle with it!!

We got serious about going on Hot Rod Power tour in the winter of '04 and started doing bodywork.... The pics are pretty self explanatory!
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The paint turned out pretty good for a garage shoot..... If I would man up and color sand it, it would look even better!! Trying to find a vinyl top guy around here is hard, so we just "painted on" the vinyl top
On hot rod power tour we saw the "crate camaro" The 69 camaro built with reproduction body. The drove the snot out of that car!!!
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And only two other Mark V's on the trip, here is one of them
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We also tested some of the wide open spaces on that trip!!!
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We also tested the tires.......
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We wanted to go on Power Tour again in '07 and decided to change up the look alittle bit. We threw on some dirt cheap Cragar 441 wheels (15x8) and 255/70/15 tires. I also took off the front bumperettes and made fillers from left over bumper trim.
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The next project was a newish budget 460. We were given a FREE 75 town car with a supposed 70,000 miles (the motor seemed pretty clean inside, so maybe?) The frame was pretty rusty (as was everything else) so we didn't feel too bad about parting it out! (it doesn't look too bad in pictures....but it was a bondo bucket)
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The block didn't need to be bored so it got standard flat top pistons for close to 9:1, cleaned up D3VE heads with stock valves and a comp cams 262H cam. With the better compression, bigger cam, cleaned up heads, bigger 2.5 inch dual exhaust and 2200rpm stall converter, there should be a noticeable improvment!!
Flat top pistons in the short block...
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Pic of my lame clean up job on the exhaust port.....
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I ended up setting the timing at 16* initial and limited the total to 38 at 2900 rpm and it runs OK.
I did regear, sort of. I stuck some short 195/60/15's on and ran it around. (29"s tall to 24.3"s tall) With an inch less rubber width and effective gear ratio of 3.50 it does good burnouts, but it isn't night and day in the upper RPM's. We didn't go too fast because we are right at the limit of the weight rating of these tires. But kicking it down a gear at 30mph isn't night and day from the tall tires...... (Thats the problem. If this car is all about seat of the pants performance, I'm not willing to run the extra revs on the highway without major gains)

Here's a couple of burnout pics with the tiny tires...... This car with rear disc brakes will not power brake at all, even with the tiny tires and 3.50 efective gear ratio.....
We're having fun and thats all that matters!
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Tried out some other wheels and tires... Big-n-littles, the traditional muscle car look.
15x7 235/70's front, 15x10 (4" backspacing) 275/60's rear.
These are off an 78 2wd chevy truck. 5 on 5 bolt pattern. (keep this in mind, there are dirt cheap used wheels and tires around if you look. These cost 40 bucks)
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The father in-law scattered the spider gears in the 9" on the way over to my house for the header install.... Damn, more work for me!! But better to do it now than on power tour!!
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After getting the rear almost straightened out.. We started test fitting the headers.

Found a set of headers to try. They are Hooker 6126 headers for '75 460 Torino's. The rest of the exhaust is 2.5" crush bent pipe and Magnaflow mufflers.
The converters are on there to pass visual inspection. They are 2.5" straight piped.
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Here is my cliff notes for install;
To install my driverside header I had to take out both motor mounts and jack the motor almost as high as it will go. You will know when its high enough because there will be wiggle room when the other guy uses a pry bar to push the engine to the passenger side. (If it isn't high enough we found the motor would't move much when you pried on it) We found that prying the motor over to the side was the only way to get it to finally slip in.
The driver side header was the only one I needed to clearance. BUT these were used headers with clearancing already done to them.
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The passenger side can be thrown up in there with the motor flat in its mounts (get the driverside taken care of first, if you jack the motor up with the pass side on it will hit the floor/firewall)
I did clearance some of the flange, it was really close to the trans.
Speaking of which, I did cut the collectors back to get a little more room from the trans crossmember. (side note, It looks like the pass side might have hit the floor if the collector wasn't shortened)
The header hook-ups were the most time intensive part. I think there are better ways to do it than the way I did it. You'll have to get creative. Mine are ugly and booger welded. But now I can get it to a shop that can do it right.
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I still need to move somemore things around to have more heat clearance. Brake lines, trans cooler lines were some of the most obvious.
This steering return line I'm going to replace and move on top of the fender.
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Also the plastic AC box probably need some kind of protection before summer stop and go traffic....
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I won't lie, for a newbie like me these headers were a pain in the ***. But it is very doable. If you are willing to fight though it, you can put Hooker 6126's on a Lincoln Mark V.
If people need specific pictures, I will do my best.
We haven't driven it yet, so I don't know what kind of seat of the pants improvment there is. I do know it sounds nasty! I bet it's mostly bark and no bite!!

The headers seem to have made a huge improvement!! It pulls strong to the shift point! Thanks guys for pushing me to get a set on there!
Now that it will rev, I bet the 3.50 gear set will make a big difference.

Here is a short video clip off my camera....
I think if I figure out the settings I can do better, I really thought my little camera could do better than that! Or just borrow a real video camera!
He wanted to do a burnout, but all my neighbors were home so I just had him get after it a little.

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Turns out my combo is pretty lame!
Right off the bat, tuning with a wideband is a snap! My idle was way rich and adjusted it in three min. It actualy sounds like it has a cam when 14:1 at idle.
It was pretty rich WOT and a step down in the secondary jet got it just about perfect with a 16whp gain. The fuel ratio was right at 12.25/12.5.
We tried a few pulls to optimize timing but started to see the effects of heat soak after three pulls. 18 initial, 16, 20 and a repeat 18. 18 seemed to be the best, but the 18 wasn't repeatable due to heat soak.
All these pulls were done in second gear. In second gear max HP was 262 and TQ was 345
We let it cool off and tried a couple pulls in top gear, but at a high RPM to keep it from down shifting. 240hp backed up with a 238hp pull both around 42/4300rpm. Torque was 325 at 3500rpm
This was on a Dyno Dynamics dyno. Brad will send me the graphs later.

This is just a tuning aid, but low numbers still suck!!
I did learn that it is still making power close to 5000rpm so getting the governor to shift the tranny higher than 42/4500 will make it feel faster.
I do feel better knowing it runs the best it can.

This a staight up opinion, don't bother with a half *** rebuild like I did. Do it right or mod the stock motor with a small cam.

Car was heat soaked on this run and you can kind of hear it. (lost about 10hp) Wish I had video when it was cooled off it sounds a little stronger.....
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Hah, I like it. Did you keep the A/C and Cruise? :)

I like it. If you are going to do all that driving on Power Tour, you might as well be comfortable. :)

Hah, I like it. Did you keep the A/C and Cruise? :)
Yep! Kept the A/C but the performer intake wouldn't really work with the factory cruise so we dumped it....
It is a pretty nice riding car, kinda like driving your livingroom couch!

Badass car! I really love those big old boats from the mid/late 70s (when I was a young kid dreaming about cars every day!)

I think a factory ford wheel would look great on that car, like a magnum 500!

Shane

I think a factory ford wheel would look great on that car, like a magnum 500!
Shane
Wow... Never thought of that.... A set of magnum 500's and BFG's, that would be sweet!
Problem is this car is a way budget piece. The Cragar 661's are only $65 bucks a piece!
If I could find used magnums....but I don't think they ever came in a 5 on 5 bolt pattern, or factory 15x8's? The aftermarket versions are probably out of reach cash wise....
But very cool idea!
I always wanted to have a sketch done of the car for the father in-law for Christmas....now I know what wheels to ask for!

Yeah, Magnum 500s are like 200 a piece for 15x8s... but keep your eyes open for used one on craigslist and whatnot... I dont know what bolt patterns they would have been... Torinos were probably the biggest cars they ever came on... not sure if they have the same bolt pattern as your Lincoln.

Sweet car none the less!

that is by far the coolest car on this site, don't get me wrong i love the high dollar cars but these low buck thrills are neat, have you had it to the track yet ?

that is by far the coolest car on this site, don't get me wrong i love the high dollar cars but these low buck thrills are neat, have you had it to the track yet ?
Thanks!! That means a lot! The car is rougher than I like for the amount of money spent...but what can you do? My one major regret was not decking the block to zero. I had it at the machine shop and just didn't do it. I think it would have sharpened up the response.

Haven't had it to the track, I hope to this summer!

i like to watch the promods-prostocks run, but i know that they will run sub 7 sec times , as they should at $250,000 or more, i would rather watch a home built car , under the shade tree built car run a 12 sec pass , cause that guy has spent his last dollar for gate fees and fuel and is there to have fun ,

i like to watch the promods-prostocks run, but i know that they will run sub 7 sec times , as they should at $250,000 or more, i would rather watch a home built car , under the shade tree built car run a 12 sec pass , cause that guy has spent his last dollar for gate fees and fuel and is there to have fun ,
I wish it was in the 12's!!
I'm hoping for 15 flat at 90mph?

I wish it was in the 12's!!
I'm hoping for 15 flat at 90mph?

thats alot of weight goin down the track! :)

I wish it was in the 12's!!

A pair of turbo's will fix that !

i like to watch the promods-prostocks run, but i know that they will run sub 7 sec times , as they should at $250,000 or more, i would rather watch a home built car , under the shade tree built car run a 12 sec pass , cause that guy has spent his last dollar for gate fees and fuel and is there to have fun ,

x2

i like to watch the promods-prostocks run, but i know that they will run sub 7 sec times , as they should at $250,000 or more, i would rather watch a home built car , under the shade tree built car run a 12 sec pass , cause that guy has spent his last dollar for gate fees and fuel and is there to have fun ,

x2

Sweet !! Seeing this being done motivates me to continue working on my Lincoln.

very nice:) loks like it moves out bretty good for a big *** boat:o:D. like that green:D

Thanks guys, he is having a good time with it!
He got messing around with a friend in a 99 LS1 six speed Camaro last night. None of these contests mean anything, but he didn't get his doors straight blown off either...
I think its running pretty good.
TracLoc and 3.50 gears next, then its done for quite a while.

If you're putting much cam in your motors.....(anything that should rev over 4000rpm) You've got to have headers. I learned that first hand.
Headers leak, rust and are a pain. But it needs them.

Nice looking ride

Sweet !! Seeing this being done motivates me to continue working on my Lincoln.

x2 with my Thunderbird. I love seeing these boats haul *** and really hope I can get my new motor built and in this summer. I just noticed your video Andy, great stuff! I need to post one of my car with the new carb, intake, ignition and recurved dist.

Still figuring stuff out. That's what happens when you're a junior wrench.
Pics outside of big and littles.....
15x7 front 235/70/15's 15x10's rear 275/60/15's off an 78 chevy pick up.
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Just finished a rear suspension rebuild.... Upper and lower control arm bushings and Monroe load adjusting shocks. (new springs would be the right way, but they were cheap and quick)
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