598 A460 Buildup

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Parts used in the build:

Ford SVO A460 Block
Scat Billet Crankshaft 4.5 Stroke
Scat H Beam Rods
JE Forged Pistons 4.6 Bore-14:1 Compression
Trick Flow A460 Heads / 2.35 Intake/ 1.90 Exh (ported by Charlie Evans)
Jomar Stud Girdles
Trick Flow A460 Tunnel Ram Manifold (port match by Charlie Evans)
Quick Fuel Carburetors (2) 1050 cfm
Cam Motion Solid Roller Cam (Lift.813/.779-Duration 287/301 - CL 114)
Crower Hippo Solid Roller Lifters
Crane Gold Race Rockers 1.73
MSD Billet Distributor
MSD Crank Trigger
Meziere Electric Water Pump
Peterson External Oil Pump Wet/Vac & Spline Drive
Jeff Johnston Billet Fab Oil Pan & Valve Covers
Cometic Head Gaskets

Head Flow Numbers: These are averages.

.100=76.3, .200=162, .300=245, .400=317.5, .500=377.3, .600=417.3, .700=438.6, .750=441.1, .800=445

Exhausts;
.100=62.5, .200=123.6, .300=163.5, .400=200.3, .500=241.1, .600=280, .700=307.4, .750=315, .800=322

Dyno Results:

rpm tq hp
5500 806.8 844.9
5600 812.6 866.4
5700 813.2 882.6
5800 819.9 905.4
5900 820.3 921.5
6000 818.9 935.6
6100 812.6 943.8
6200 804.0 949.1
6300 795.1 953.8
6400 785.7 957.4
6500 776.2 960.7
6600 766.9 963.7
6700 761.2 971.0
6800 754.6 977.1
6900 749.4 984.6
7000 744.4 992.1
7100 734.0 992.2
7200 726.0 995.3
7300 715.4 994.4

Link to Dyno Video: http://www.supermotors.org/vehicles/registry/showmedia.php?id=277180

Sweet! very similar to what im building except the tunnel ram

Good looking engine. I am in the process of getting my parts to build my 598. Only difference is I will be running A441 Hemi heads with dual Ron's Terminators on alky. Keep us posted on what it does at the track. Good luck! :D

That thing looks awsome! And oh so close to 1000Hp. How long did you try for that 5hp??

That's a great looking motor Doug. Very good numbers on the dyno. You must be pretty happy!

We're in the process of getting our A460/A460 setup together. A very similar setup to yours. Evans heads, Bryant billet crank and 15:1. We still have not decided on fuel setup yet, right now we're thinking Enderle Birdcatcher on the TFS tunnelram. The setup should put our Bantam well into the 7's.

Whose rocker covers are you running? They look like they have a 3/8" thick rail.

That thing looks awsome! And oh so close to 1000Hp. How long did you try for that 5hp??

We hit 995 on the 16th a final pull. We ran out of time and low on fuel. We wanted to try one of Charlie's plenum spacers but just didn't have the time. I will test one at the track though.

Whose rocker covers are you running? They look like they have a 3/8" thick rail.

Yes I am happy with the results! The covers were made by Jeff Johnston @ Billet Fabrications, and the oil pan as well.

Doug, why did you decide to run an external oil pump? The reason I am curious is that I am switching to a Billet Fabrications 2 piece oil pan & a Titan billet pro oil pump. I was rumnning a Canton full sump pan & stock type pump. My oil pressure would go to zero on decelleration after a run. But when my data logger showed the fluctuations through out the run, I had to make a change. Were you having some of the same problems also? I considered an external pump & dry sump set up but decided to go this way because I already had a wet sump vacuum pump & engine diaper . Here is a pic of my 557 CJhttp://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/611000-611999/611257_8.jpg

Doug, why did you decide to run an external oil pump? The reason I am curious is that I am switching to a Billet Fabrications 2 piece oil pan & a Titan billet pro oil pump. I was rumnning a Canton full sump pan & stock type pump. My oil pressure would go to zero on decelleration after a run. But when my data logger showed the fluctuations through out the run, I had to make a change. Were you having some of the same problems also? I considered an external pump & dry sump set up but decided to go this way because I already had a wet sump vacuum pump & engine diaper . Here is a pic of my 557 CJhttp://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/611000-611999/611257_8.jpg

Several reasons. The Wet/Vac pump is two pumps in one, oil pump and vacuum pump. Some people have had problems with the distributors gear pin shearing off, which could be fixed by using a larger diameter pin. I didn't like that idea because I felt it would also weaken the distributor shaft. Finally the timing is a lot more stable, not jumping around when you put a light on it. Another thing the gear should last longer without the load of the oil pump on it.

that is the exact motor im trying to build right now.everyone told me this motor would make close to a 1000hp and now i see they aint lying.

Wow, beautiful motor! So close to 1,000 :shock:

Thats a good lookin engine!

I just finished up a 572 similar to that.

A460 block
4.565X4.375
Rolled A460 heads Flow-Int 460 Ex 310 2.400 1.880
Wiseco custom pistons .043 .043 3mm
16.5:1 comp
BME aluminum rods
bryant crank
custom bullet cam 285 302 @ .050 114 icl .880 820
TFS cast manifold
Brazwell gas 1150
jesel comp rockers 1.8 1.8

TQ 805@ 6200

HP 1028@ 7300

Something happened to the photo on my host site, and I cannot edit my orginal post because I have changed my login name, so here is and updated one with the plug wires dressed out and a larger alternator pulley to slow it down to and acceptable level.

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http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/447586/original/dyno-pull-16.jpg

How much timing did that combo like?


What car is it going into?

31.5 degrees.

couldnt find that oil relocator doug :(

doug i have a tfs tunnel ram on a 606 ci. cant get a distributor in it. what kind of dist. is that u got in yours? can you give me part numbers and where i can buy. nice looking motor. is your car a 10.5 car or big tire car. what kind of times are you expecting out of that big motor. i purchased an alum tall deck 606ci similar to your set up. it has tfs tunnel ram and motorsport a-460 heads. also are the motorsports as good as the tfs heads. i have a brand new set of tfs heads but if the motorsports are just as good im going to sell the tfs heads.

The distributor is a MSD low profile deal that has to run the crank trigger, don't remember the part #, but just call summit and tell them what intake your running and the part number pops up on there computer. :D

Link to MSD http://www.msdignition.com/dist_50.htm

Link to CV Products remote filter.
http://www.cvproducts.com/cv/products/SpecItem.aspx?prodID=1558&keyword=cv745&brandID=

Doug, if you don't mind could you give us the Peterson Pump part number and the drive part number you used?

Doug, if you don't mind could you give us the Peterson Pump part number and the drive part number you used?

To be honest I don't know. They were ordered by Phillip Oakley at Oakley Automotive. His business # is(270) 684-1069

I have the same car mostly the same work done to it too.My motor is the twin but Im running a 514 with 15:1 comp everything else is the same.what kind of times are you shooting for natural,and what do you think it will weight.

:shock:

I have the same car mostly the same work done to it too.My motor is the twin but Im running a 514 with 15:1 comp everything else is the same.what kind of times are you shooting for natural,and what do you think it will weight.

I haven't given it much thought with out the spray. I have a Pro Race Fogger system that we didn't use on the Dyno, but it will be installed after I sort out the suspension setup. If I can make low 5's in the 1/8 I'll be happy. Im trying to keep the weight dowwn to 3000 or less.

Doug, with the 1000 HP you have, I don't see why you won't run 5.30 -5.40's@3000 lbs. You have got a damn stout combo. You didn't dyno with NOS so are you running a nitrous cam that makes 1000hp naturally aspirated? If that is the case, all I can say is hold on when you hit the spray!!! :D

Something happened to the photo on my host site, and I cannot edit my orginal post because I have changed my login name, so here is and updated one with the plug wires dressed out and a larger alternator pulley to slow it down to and acceptable level.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/228000-228999/228081_224_full.jpg

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i was just wondering what did your car ever run. i have a motor very similar to yours but its a 606ci aluminum tall deck with a sheetmetal tunnelram. i think it should make the power yours make and will be running at 2500lbs with me in the car. just curious what times to expect out of it.

i was just wondering what did your car ever run. i have a motor very similar to yours but its a 606ci aluminum tall deck with a sheetmetal tunnelram. i think it should make the power yours make and will be running at 2500lbs with me in the car. just curious what times to expect out of it.

It's not finished yet, but I am getting close. I am expecting it to run in the low 5's without the nitrous. With the nitrous, I guess that depends on how crazy I get. :lol:

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That is a very stout motor !! ur making 1.66 hp per cube good hp in any language .I am researching and colleting parts for a new BBF I have not decided yet too buy a complete or build one I can always sell my bits how much money is something like that. cheers

$ 20,000 + :roll:

did you ever get the car to the track?i am verry interested in the results.

did you ever get the car to the track?i am verry interested in the results.
Not yet! Between my job and only getting to work on it about 1 day a week it's taking longer than I thought. I did finally get my lexan windows though, very pricey :shock: . Today I'm finishing up a fiberglass piece to replace the glass in the sunroof.

make sure you have good oil returns and a good pan, I have the same set up on a 598 c heads and have took out the rods 2 times due to no oil at the end of the track. Tough to see at 170MPH. I kept the peterson pump and had a new pan made from stefs and added a accusump just in case. will try again in the spring.
Nice motor

john

make sure you have good oil returns and a good pan, I have the same set up on a 598 c heads and have took out the rods 2 times due to no oil at the end of the track. Tough to see at 170MPH. I kept the peterson pump and had a new pan made from stefs and added a accusump just in case. will try again in the spring.
Nice motor

john

Thanks, we did that from the get go! In fact I polished whole lifter valley, and Lem added two returns to the front china wall, custom pan from Billet Fab, and Accusump just in case. :wink:

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nice piece! good luck with it.

Doug that is just flat AZZ Awsome Bud !!! Looks Like the Guys at Evans Racing put another Bad Boy Together !! I cant wait to see it run !!

I do hope you bought some new Tighty Whities for your first pass !! LOL..

Great Job Guys...... I love it !

Russ :D

Back from the past.

Doug, can you get me a shot of how your alternator is mounted? Mine is in the exact same spot, but I am not happy with the fabrication done. If ya can give me a better idea, I'de be happy to run an inch longer belt.

Thanks

Same here Doug, which Crank pulley did you use?

Back from the past.

Doug, can you get me a shot of how your alternator is mounted? Mine is in the exact same spot, but I am not happy with the fabrication done. If ya can give me a better idea, I'de be happy to run an inch longer belt.

Thanks
Will this help.

dfree383, the crank pulley is a custom unit I had made by http://www.aspracing.com/index.html


http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w244/dcrahn/alt1.jpg
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Looks way cool, Thanks for posting.

Bump for a interested friend.

Doug how much spray could you put on that build ??

Nick, I have a fogger system capable of 500hp but I will feel more comfortable using up to 300hp. I don't want to start burning a bunch of pistons, and I will be sneaking up on that 300.

do you think that combo will get you in the high 4.90's w/ the spray

do you think that combo will get you in the high 4.90's w/ the spray
If I can get it to stick :lol: :lol: :lol:

I like the alt position, what are you doing with the water pump outlet

I like the alt position, what are you doing with the water pump outlet

-20 Fittings and hose.

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Bump for a relative.;)

Doug,

Do you have to remove the intake to get the distributor out? Looking good bud! :cool:

Doug,

Do you have to remove the intake to get the distributor out? Looking good bud! :cool:

To be honest I don't know. With the cap off it might be able come up far enough and tilt to get it out. Lem could answer that better than me.

Regardless, it looks REALLY cool and I can't wait to see it in ACTION!

I'm still wiping tears out of my eyes Doug!......

cap off, dist. comes out

Where can i get a A460 block that won't break my wallet?? Did it come in any big trucks or other cars??How many cues can i get out of a A460 block ?? Thanks Fastfrog

I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE
BUT I THINK THAT
AN A460 BLOCK
IS A AFTER MARKET
ONLY ITEM
FORD WIKK SELL YOU 1

BUT NONE CAME OUT
FACTORY IN A CAR OR TRUCK

FROM WHAT I HAVE HERD
THE BEST FACTORY BBF
460 STYLE BLOCK
WOULD BE A BOSS 429 BLOCK

I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE
BUT I THINK THAT
AN A460 BLOCK
IS A AFTER MARKET
ONLY ITEM
FORD WIKK SELL YOU 1



I thought he could visit the local junk yard and ask for a '73 Lincoln XR-4 engine. Do you mean to tell me that's not the same engine ;)

G-Code

I DO NOT KNOW I THOUGHT HE MENT
A460 MOTOR SPORT BLOCK

I AN SORRY IF I MISS UNDER STOOD
/\
ABOUT 4 PEOPLE UP ABOVE ME /\ 2 SLOW HE MITE BE ABLE TO TELL YOU

You didn't mis-understand....

Sarcasm just isn't the same when you have to explain it :(

An A-460 block will cost a lot of money it is a specialty block only, never mass produced and never installed in a truck or car. I'd thought any Ford performance person would know that, but I guess not.

G-Code

I THOUGHT
THAT HE THOUGHT
THAT
HE COULD GO TO A JUNK YARD
AND
FIND AN
A460 MOTOR SPORT BLOCK
THAT IT CAME IN A CAR
FROM THE FACTORY

SO I JUST SAID
I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE
BUT I THINK THAT
AN A460 BLOCK
IS A AFTER MARKET
ONLY ITEM
FORD WIKK SELL YOU 1

BUT NONE CAME OUT
FACTORY IN A CAR OR TRUCK

FROM WHAT I HAVE HERD
THE BEST FACTORY BBF
460 STYLE BLOCK
WOULD BE A BOSS 429 BLOCK

THEN I SEEN WHAT
THE GUY AFTER ME SAID

{ I thought he could visit the local junk yard and ask for a '73 Lincoln XR-4 engine. }

SO I THOUGHT

HE MITE KNOW

SOMETHIME I DONT

THAT IS WHY I SAID

{ I DO NOT KNOW I THOUGHT HE MENT

A460 MOTOR SPORT BLOCK

I AN SORRY IF I MISS UNDER STOOD

ABOUT 4 PEOPLE UP ABOVE ME

2 SLOW HE MITE BE ABLE TO TELL YOU }

AND
FOR HIM

TO ASK DAN

BECAUSE

I WAS NOT BEING

AS YOU PUT IT

{ Sarcasm just isn't the same when you have to explain it }


I KNEW THAT DAN

KNOW ALOT MORE

ME
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I was just trying to figure out a 598 to a little over 600 inch motor would cost for parts. So i was trying to figure what block I need. Got a chance to pick up a blower for 2500.00 from a very good friend as he has about twenty of them in shop in Va.--what blockn wantn't break bank ??? Thanks guys--Fastfrog

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I was just trying to figure out a 598 to a little over 600 inch motor would cost for parts. So i was trying to figure what block I need. Got a chance to pick up a blower for 2500.00 from a very good friend as he has about twenty of them in shop in Va.--what blockn wantn't break bank ??? Thanks guys--Fastfrog
I have $32,000. in mine with the new headers and 1 new speedtech nitrous kit...........only 3 dyno runs on it so for. Cant wait to go race my new Kaase 598 motor..... cage is being upgraded to 25.5 right now.

Just curious what the rod ratio is on this beast?...and the deck height. thanks

6.8" [stroke] /4.50" stroke = 1.51 ratio
10.320" deck ht.

what did this combo end up running on motor and on spray

I dont believe he has sprayed this deal yet ........ once he works out the suspension it should go low to mid 5's


correct me if im wrong Doug







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