Building a big block for my '67 F100 - 460 Ford Forum
460 Ford Forum  
Go Back   460 Ford Forum > Tech Topics > Engine Tech

Engine Tech A place to discuss all 385-series engine tech and theory.

460Ford.com is the premier 460 Ford Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-27-2013, 02:17 PM
itsabullitt itsabullitt is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 16
itsabullitt First On Race Day
Default Building a big block for my '67 F100

I have a 429 and a 460. The 460 has been sitting outside uncovered for years, so will probably stick with the 429. If the 460 crank is good, I'll more than likely just put that crank in the 429 as I've heard that's basically the only difference. (Is this true?) I have no information on either motor other than they have D3VE heads and 4 barrel intakes. My goal is to convert my F100 to a tow rig for hauling my Mustang and other pickup across country for racing/wheeling events. But I also want a fun hot rod on the street. So far I just have the motor, and am looking to you for opinions on how to build a motor for a go-fast tow rig. This is my first BBF. I plan on making this a ~3 year project with a budget of around $10,000 for everything including painless wiring, aftermarket A/C and a FAST fuel injection setup. If my math is right, after those items and all the other little stuff I find, I'll have about $5,000 I can dedicate to the motor. If it costs more than that, then it does and it'll just take a little longer to complete. I've looked at the SCAT stroker cranks, aftermarket heads, intakes, cams, etc. and I just don't know where to start. I don't want a race motor, and I don't want a tractor either. I want a little bit of both if that's possible.

What are your thoughts? Am I close on budget, and what heads, intake, cam should I be looking for? Go stroker, or stock stroke?

Thanks in advance.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2  
Old 09-27-2013, 03:21 PM
Chris Guthro Chris Guthro is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 37
Chris Guthro First On Race Day
Default

well it sounds your basically using it for the same use i am with my 84 f150 2wd. so far my build project is like this : stock 1978 460 bottom end. d0ve heads refurbished with new springs valves and exhaust side ported. edelbrock performer rpm dome, holly 750 double pumper. hedman long tubes. 1970 timing set. just need to decide on a cam. looking for around 375-400 horse.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #3  
Old 09-27-2013, 04:13 PM
itsabullitt itsabullitt is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 16
itsabullitt First On Race Day
Default

Thanks for the reply. I'm looking for a little more power than that. While I don't have my heart set on a specific hp number, I want "big block power" if that makes sense. I have had several small blocks over the years, and my other pickup wears a bowtie with a small block and makes right sround 400hp at the flywheel. I consider it a very basic setup with a .030 over 350, vortec heads with a little work, 268 cam, hypereutectic pistons, and performer rpm air gap intake. With a 460" big block I would think the hp number should be around the 500 mark, with tq closer to 600. Again, this is my very first BBF, so if I'm way off base on acheiving these kind of numbers with the budget I've listed, let me know. Steer me in the right direction. I want a good streetable motor that has plenty of grunt for pulling, but still has a hot rod feel and sound to it. I really love a lopey idle, so I guess I should keep that in mind with the cam selection.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #4  
Old 09-27-2013, 05:05 PM
Dman64's Avatar
Dman64 Dman64 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 715
Dman64 First On Race Day
Default

Build a 521 IMHO.

D


Sent from AutoGuide.com App
__________________
1964 F100 466 zero decked fuelie 7cc dish pistons, with RHP 2.11 1.65 budget D3 heads, Voodoo cam 219/227, rpm intake, Holley Terminator EFI, MSD Ignition, MSD FORD TFI Distrbutor, 4R70W Trans with Baumann Re-cal kit, US Shift electronic Trans controller with B&M Megashifter, 2500 Dirty Dog Convertor, 3.50 gears with detroit locker.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36499599@N04/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbl-v...3&feature=plcp
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #5  
Old 09-27-2013, 05:37 PM
4604X4's Avatar
4604X4 4604X4 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Orlando Florida
Posts: 255
4604X4 Driving a Ford
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by itsabullitt View Post
My goal is to convert my F100 to a tow rig for hauling my Mustang and other pickup across country for racing/wheeling events. But I also want a fun hot rod on the street. .
Gas mileage will kill you on cross county towing trips. With an OD trans you "might" get 10 mpg while towing - but that's if you build it for economy. The 450HP+ engine you're talking about will probably get you 6 mpg towing.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #6  
Old 09-27-2013, 07:36 PM
blue1978fordbronco blue1978fordbronco is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Swartz creek, MI
Posts: 240
blue1978fordbronco Driving a Ford
Default

Depending on the condition of the motor you are going to need more money than $5k to grab the numbers you want especially if you go with a stroker kit.
As was said before, that will be a 10mpg motor at best pulling a trailer, that's before you hit the mountains. I like the idea though.
__________________
1978 BRONCO 460 .030 35" Boggers locked front/rear
2008 F350 C/C Lariat 4x4 6.4 POWERSTROKE
2013 43' Heartland Road Warrior 415 toy hauler
2001 F350 C/C lARIAT 4X4 POWERSTROKE........sold
2004 F350 C/C lARIAT 4X4 POWERSTROKE........sold

Last edited by blue1978fordbronco; 09-27-2013 at 09:54 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #7  
Old 09-27-2013, 10:55 PM
itsabullitt itsabullitt is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 16
itsabullitt First On Race Day
Default

Good points on the mpg. My brother has a '99 F250 superduty with a 7.3 PSD. We've been using it to take my car to Texas and Indiana for Bullitt Shootouts and National events. For the wheeling trips they're only about 2.5 hours away in Oklahoma, so not too terrible for 10mpg. For the longer trips, we may just use his diesel for the mpg, but I'd like to use my own truck when I can. If $5K won't do it, then it may just take me longer to build it. From what I'm seeing, the stroker kits are around $2K, and I'm not even sure I want to go that route.


What would you guys recommend for heads, cam, intake, to get the numbers I'm looking for? I'd be rebuilding the motor anyway, so it'll be getting new pistons, bearings, etc. If the 460 crank is good, it'll probably go in rather than the stroker as I'm concerned there may be some issues with cooling and longevity on a large displacement engine. Our maximum octane for pump gas is 91, so I also want to make sure the compression isn't crazy.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #8  
Old 09-27-2013, 11:01 PM
itsabullitt itsabullitt is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 16
itsabullitt First On Race Day
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dman64 View Post
Build a 521 IMHO.

D


Sent from AutoGuide.com App
Watched the walkaround vid of your truck in your sig. Sounds great Dman!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #9  
Old 09-28-2013, 08:44 AM
Dman64's Avatar
Dman64 Dman64 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 715
Dman64 First On Race Day
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by itsabullitt View Post
Watched the walkaround vid of your truck in your sig. Sounds great Dman!
Thank you, I actually changed the exhaust after that as it was just too loud, it sound better now. I need to do some in cab videos with the new overdrive.

D


Sent from AutoGuide.com App
__________________
1964 F100 466 zero decked fuelie 7cc dish pistons, with RHP 2.11 1.65 budget D3 heads, Voodoo cam 219/227, rpm intake, Holley Terminator EFI, MSD Ignition, MSD FORD TFI Distrbutor, 4R70W Trans with Baumann Re-cal kit, US Shift electronic Trans controller with B&M Megashifter, 2500 Dirty Dog Convertor, 3.50 gears with detroit locker.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36499599@N04/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbl-v...3&feature=plcp
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #10  
Old 09-28-2013, 09:25 AM
itsabullitt itsabullitt is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 16
itsabullitt First On Race Day
Default

One other thing I didn't mention was that I'd be doing the labor myself outside of any machine work needed. My budget was just for parts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #11  
Old 09-28-2013, 10:49 AM
Dman64's Avatar
Dman64 Dman64 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 715
Dman64 First On Race Day
Default

I think my cost me right around $4500 and it was just for parts and machining. I would like to build another one but slightly different but don't have anything to put it in.lol

D


Sent from AutoGuide.com App
__________________
1964 F100 466 zero decked fuelie 7cc dish pistons, with RHP 2.11 1.65 budget D3 heads, Voodoo cam 219/227, rpm intake, Holley Terminator EFI, MSD Ignition, MSD FORD TFI Distrbutor, 4R70W Trans with Baumann Re-cal kit, US Shift electronic Trans controller with B&M Megashifter, 2500 Dirty Dog Convertor, 3.50 gears with detroit locker.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36499599@N04/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbl-v...3&feature=plcp
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #12  
Old 10-30-2013, 11:46 AM
itsabullitt itsabullitt is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 16
itsabullitt First On Race Day
Default

So I've been doing some more reading on the site and found Cars by Carl's website. I've read several of Carl's posts, and am really thinking about going for either a short block or crate engine. By the time I build mine, have all the machine work done, etc. I'll have about as much money as I'd have in a crate engine that was assembled by a professional with the "good stuff" parts. Would the street fighter set up do what I'm wanting the truck to do?

http://www.carsbycarl.com/Crate_Engines.html
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #13  
Old 10-30-2013, 01:40 PM
4604X4's Avatar
4604X4 4604X4 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Orlando Florida
Posts: 255
4604X4 Driving a Ford
Default

Go with the Stroker now - or you'll regret it in a couple of years. You will have long forgotten about the extra $500 but not the increased TQ/HP.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #14  
Old 10-30-2013, 02:09 PM
itsabullitt itsabullitt is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 16
itsabullitt First On Race Day
Default

Thanks for the reply. The extra money for the stroker wasn't really an issue. I was just comparing the crate engines, and it seemed strange the smaller displacement, stock stroke street fighter was showing better numbers than the stroker options. The street brawler with the stroker offers less hp, but more tq, and at a lower rpm. This may be a better option for me as I would prefer the 50 extra tq and wouldn't mind losing the 25 or more hp considering it's still giving me 550+hp and over 600 ft/lb. It's only about $2K over my original budget, but considering It will be a drop in, ready to go engine, I may still come out ahead. With the FAST EFI I'll still end up with about $10K in it total. The A/C may have to wait.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #15  
Old 10-30-2013, 02:12 PM
windsor windsor is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Central FL/Deployed
Posts: 971
windsor Driving a Ford
Default

It's more important to look at "area under the curve" than peak numbers, in terms of useful power production for a vehicle like yours. The stroker will be a much better suit to your needs.

Some Super Cobra Jet heads would be a good addition and very cost effective.

Sent from AutoGuide.com Free App
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the 460 Ford Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:42 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.