what solid roller lifters?

[richter69]

Originally Posted by rmcomprandy

If you can't stand the heat then stay out of the kitchen.
You're probably right - I have NO experience and you shouldn't listen to a word I say because I'm just talking out of my hat anyway.
I'll be sure to stay completely out of your way and not answer any of your posts.

Sometimes its better to let people find out the hard way.................

[johnnywalker]

here is some info i found on comp cams web page . maybe this will help .

Special Note: Solid roller lifters are designed for use in racing applications; however if used in street applications precautions should be taken to avoid excessive idling and certain engine builder modifications are required. Low RPM usage may result in a lack of lubrication from windage, premature wear and ultimately extensive engine damage.

[tylercrawford]

Originally Posted by rmcomprandy

If you can't stand the heat then stay out of the kitchen.

I believe YOU are the one that came into MY thread.

Originally Posted by rmcomprandy

II have NO experience and you shouldn't listen to a word I say because I'm just talking out of my hat anyway.

for all I know you are some two-bit engine builder. You have the attitude of one anyways . . . what I don't get is you made a legitimate first post then I quote Lem (clearly NOT you) and then you made some smart remark with the purpose of making yourself look good.

I expect this on corral but I didn't know we had people like that on here.

Originally Posted by rmcomprandy

I'll be sure to stay completely out of your way and not answer any of your posts.

good, you have yet to add anything worth reading anyways.

[beltfeed]

Originally Posted by tylercrawford

I believe YOU are the one that came into MY thread.



for all I know you are some two-bit engine builder. You have the attitude of one anyways . . . what I don't get is you made a legitimate first post then I quote Lem (clearly NOT you) and then you made some smart remark with the purpose of making yourself look good.

I expect this on corral but I didn't know we had people like that on here.



good, you have yet to add anything worth reading anyways.

How about PRoComp !!!!

Don't hate Randy, this is the typical I don't have the money to build it right once. But when it grenades I will build it again. Randy's day job is building performance engines, That generally gives a person a better knowledge base then a person who does it for a weekend hobby.

[DJOHAGIN]

Originally Posted by tylercrawford

Looking for a set of solid roller lifters but heard many different opinions.

The guys at Kaase's shop definitely recommended the Crowers over the other guys but $589 is way too steep for my budget.

Is the Doug Herbert stuff any good?

Is comp really that bad?

It will be a 90% race - 10% street car. Maybe like 40-50 passes a year and only a hundred or so street miles.

thanks!

Tyler,

Breathe, LOL.

Randy types to the point, with no BS. We get quite a few individuals come on here, ask a question, but are really just trying to get a confirmation that a cheaper part will work.

Will a Comp Cam's solid roller lifter work? Sure it will. How long will it last? Who knows? You have to give cam specs, valve spring specs, and what rpms you are planning on running. What kind of street driving are you talking about?

You can a tread little more lightly, seeing you're a new member. Throwing insults can get you black-balled from recieving good info. Randy's post, in my eyes, hit the nail on the head, and your insults show that he was correct. It's kind of like entering a biker's bar you have never entered before, and you calling out someone you know nothing about. I guess your dad never taught you how to behave, well, here's your first lesson.

Peace.

Dave

[crittersf1]

Originally Posted by DJOHAGIN

Tyler,

Breathe, LOL.

Randy types to the point, with no BS. We get quite a few individuals come on here, ask a question, but are really just trying to get a confirmation that a cheaper part will work.

Will a Comp Cam's solid roller lifter work? Sure it will. How long will it last? Who knows? You have to give cam specs, valve spring specs, and what rpms you are planning on running. What kind of street driving are you talking about?

You can a tread little more lightly, seeing you're a new member. Throwing insults can get you black-balled from recieving good info. Randy's post, in my eyes, hit the nail on the head, and your insults show that he was correct. It's kind of like entering a biker's bar you have never entered before, and you calling out someone you know nothing about. I guess your dad never taught you how to behave, well, here's your first lesson.

Peace.

Dave

Nicely put!

[Mark Laczo]

Back to the roller lifters.

How do you find any info on the Morel #4719 (?) for 385 engine. Anybody have any experience with them good or bad. I have heard/seen really good things with the Crane Ultrapro but where do you find/purchase them now ? Going to be running the Comp 947 triples in the spring, so I am going to be researching all possibilities. Brands that come to mind are Crower, Isky, Morel, Herbert, Comp, ??

Thanks for any more info.
Mark

[johnnywalker]

i would like to know when you guys say comp solid roller lifters are junk are you talking about the early style or the new endure-x lifters with the oiling groove ? i've got a comp cam catalog with a pic of morel lifters in it . so does comp cam make the morel lifters ?

[Diggindeeper]

Just use Procomp
Hydraulic Rollers are the best way to go.

Horsepower TV says so.

[cletus66]

[quote=tylercrawford;865645]

for all I know you are some two-bit engine builder.



He be famous. I seen his pitcher in da magazine. No shit.



And you can bet I'll buy my next cam/lifters from him.



No, really.....

[JSracing]

Tyler,
there are plenty of good BBF engine builders out there.

I think if you subscribe to David Rehrer's email tech articles he has some pretty good stuff about solid rollers and longevity.

there are also several knowledgable people on this forum. Some havent posted yet in this thread and may not..... probably due to drama.

But that aside, you shouldnt back up or feel bad about your question.

People that are new should not be made to feel stupid for asking a question. Dont really care how big of an engine builder you or anyone else is they shouldnt bash the newbies.



However there are some good posts on here about solid rollers if you do a search.

the subject goes on forever.. lol

PS. also, here is something to consider, your really respected famous engine builders SELDOM bash newbies or people with questions.

I think that speaks volumes.

JS

[blown4x4]

Originally Posted by rmcomprandy

It seems like you're simply looking for reasons to use the cheap stuff so go ahead and buy them.
When one of those eventually eats itself, and it will, it will not be a problem because your engine is probably full of the cheapest stuff money can buy anyway. Starting over will not be a big deal.

This is exactly why I'm staying in the 600hp very mild stoker world. I simply don't have the money to take it to the next level and have it survive.

[tylercrawford]

Originally Posted by DJOHAGIN

We get quite a few individuals come on here, ask a question, but are really just trying to get a confirmation that a cheaper part will work.

And this is what I don't get . . . apparently the very mention of the doug herbert lifters get you labelled as a cheap "junk" engine builder. Like anything else "cheap" its 9 times out of 10 you get what you pay for but I know ZERO people running them and they have quite a few people out there who think highly of them.

Problem is no one on here has run them so its back at square one with those lifters DESPITE randy's best attempts to stir the pot.

Originally Posted by DJOHAGIN

Will a Comp Cam's solid roller lifter work? Sure it will. How long will it last? Who knows? You have to give cam specs, valve spring specs, and what rpms you are planning on running. What kind of street driving are you talking about?

I thought I had posted that in my first post . . . maybe a couple of cruise-in nights but probably 90% track and 10% street (200 miles a year).

I figure a cam with 240ish @ .050 on a 110 with .600" lift. Should be pretty common for a decent 466.

I have zero cam/valvetrain stuff that is roller so I would starting from scratch.

Originally Posted by DJOHAGIN

You can a tread little more lightly, seeing you're a new member. Throwing insults can get you black-balled from recieving good info. Randy's post, in my eyes, hit the nail on the head, and your insults show that he was correct.

To be honest, I could care less about randy. I just thought he made a stupid response so I called him out on it. I would do that to anyone that quoted me, I don't care who it is especially someone who tries to read into what I posted.

I have read his second post several times and I still don't get how he assumed that. It is quite a leap to jump to his post of "you have complete crap" from me asking Lem about what issues he had with the comp stuff.

If anyone wants to know the combo its a 466, stock crank, eagle sir-I beams, probe srs forged pistons, home ported d3 heads (2.19/1.71 valves), torker II, 850 race demon. If thats cheap ass than so be it.

I really didn't want a solid roller setup but seeing as how hyd flat tappets are 1. Dinosaurs, 2. becoming increasingly hard to break-in due to oil and faster ramp rates I felt I wanted a roller cam with this motor but the only choice is a solid seeing as how the price is even higher for the hydraulic roller cams. I don't NEED a roller cam that bad . . . but if I can get out of my hft stuff and spend maybe $200-300 more for a roller setup that works for what I want to do then I'll do it to pick up the power, reliability, and avoiding the issues I stated before.

Jay Allen of Camshaft Innovations is about the same way as randy. He knows his stuff but he'll go ape in a thread for no reason. Incidentally enough I feel the same way about both people.

[Lem Evans]

Originally Posted by johnnywalker

i would like to know when you guys say comp solid roller lifters are junk are you talking about the early style or the new endure-x lifters with the oiling groove ? i've got a comp cam catalog with a pic of morel lifters in it . so does comp cam make the morel lifters ?

No one knows what perfect is....but the new comp stuff is far from "junk" .

[Blackcoupe]

I know its not a ford but we have a set of the cheap herbert roller lifters in a 440 mopar in a duster we have and they seem to work but its a nothing motor and i dont really care if it goes to hell as I'd be out a cheap gasket set and a nothing motor. I think for the money you'd spend on a cheap solid roller setup you could buy a really good sft setup and it'd prob last longer in a street car. You can haul the mail with a sft, I know its not as fast as alot of cars on here but our 68 dart has run a 9.59 with a sft w/12-1 and 500 cu in,thats the car I'm chasing with my bbf foxbody project.
Jr.