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Old 06-19-2010, 04:31 PM
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So did you get that valve job done?

Did you finally get your valve spring retainers?


Inquiring minds need to know...... <smile>
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Retainers came in. Checked spring heights. Looking for valve spring shims currently. I need 1.43 to 1.5" OD with a .800 to .812 ID. Spoke with Goodson. First call the guy helped me found some in a cataloge. Second call another guy blew me off because they were not listed on the computer and In had purcased nothing from them before. So guess I will be purchasing some with a .76 something ID with a proper OD and hogging out the ID myself.


On the up side got a chance to run my Grand Marquis in the quarter. Finally didnt rain on a Friday. Bad side it lost a second in the quarter. Lost in 60', 1/8, 1000'. Lost speed in the 8th but top speed in the 1/4 stayed the same. It was more consistant. Even screwed up a shift still ran the same. This was on the same street tires used last year. I wont waste street / road race tires at the drags again expensive rubber. The best part was running home with a friend in a Mustang that had a 2+ sec better ET than me. From a light was 7 cars ahead of him by the time I hit around 100.
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Old 02-10-2011, 01:30 AM
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Been back working on the truck for the last 2 weeks or so. It began with the issue of a no start no power to anything one morning. Was going to hall a friends truck to the bodyshop. Didnt happen. Took several days of working with a crappy repair manual with an even crappier wiring diagram in it. Didnt even show the 86 F350 carb wiring. Traced it to a splice under miles of factory tape wrapping. The splice fell appart just before the unrapping process reached the splice. A bunch of greenish powder fell out. The portion of the wire heading to the solinoid had nothing but the green like crud 1 1/2" up the insulation before hitting copper. This dosnt happen over nite how was the truck even running all these years.
This lead to a compression check and the begining of removal of the old heads and cam. The new heads and their parts werew dug out of the back bay and several other areas of the shop. A head assembley check is on going.

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Old 02-10-2011, 04:33 AM
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That "greenish powder" was copper oxide, as is probably the "green like crud"....
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Old 02-11-2011, 12:44 PM
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Problems evolved with the valve spring installed heights. Looks like the exhaust valves sent me quite awhile back are too long. They would work for a solid roller set up as the installed heights are in the 2.144 range. Cant send them back at this point so they will be up for sale. Waiting on a new set now. Hope they show up today.
Also as there was so much or so little info on larger valves needing wider valve reliefs or deeper using 2.19 valves in a 460. I had to investigate.
I had one of my D3 heads cut up so I could see whats up. Some pics will be upcoming soon sorry the camera sucks. My good one is broke. It did suprise me in that with the factory cam there looks to be know reason to do anything. Was also done with no gasket installed. At TDC looks to have quite a bit of valve drop available. Claying up and new head install with no gasket and stock cam it is still showing drop available. This is all on the intake side. Exhaust side seems to have no issues. Hope to see the new cam arive Monday.
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Old 02-11-2011, 12:46 PM
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That "greenish powder" was copper oxide, as is probably the "green like crud"....

Yea I think a jar of it used to come in my chemesty kits when I was a kid. In the kit its ok to call it copper oxide in a wire its crud
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Old 02-11-2011, 11:34 PM
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Here is a shot of the fixture I came up with to check out valve pocket clearance and if needed widen or deepen the valve pocket. Note here is the valve seat is still sized for a 2.08 valve. The valve shown installed is a 2.19 so it sits a bit further into the cylinder than it would withthe seat cut for the 2.19 valve. The exhaust is in the same position as installed is a 1.76 dia valve on the stock 460 seat.
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Old 02-11-2011, 11:41 PM
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Here it is bolted to the engine. Piston at TDC
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This shot shows the valve depressed to the piston valve relief. A note here the fixture is bolted to the head with no gasket installed.
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Old 02-11-2011, 11:54 PM
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This shot shows how far the valve can open at TDC with no gasket and also minus its true seating if the seat were cut for a 2.19 valve vs a 2.08. Same deal on the exhaust.

So the exhaust clears moves off the seat .504 approx add in the gasket at .038 thk ends up with .542 at TDC

The intake ends up with a drop of .2645 approx add the .038 gasket your looking at .3025 at TDC.

The intake appears to cleat the valve relief at least on my 86 460 with no issues. Cam should show up Monday or Tuesday and will clay it up for a final check.
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Old 02-13-2011, 02:11 AM
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Another slight set back they only set me 7 exhaust valves. Other than that the heads are ready to assemble. The valve spring installed heights will need no more than a .060 shim or less. Cant find any with the ID needed so I will have to drill some out. Next will be to measure and shim to proper installed heights.
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:47 PM
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Have an exhaust valve on its way.

Cam showed up. So clayed up a cylinder and checked clearance. Exhaust is .520 lift never touched clay with a 1.76 valve. Intake lift .515 showed .095 clearance with 2.19 valve.

Next is finding valve shims. Need an ID of .812 and a OD from 1.46 to 1.6.
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Old 02-23-2011, 08:33 PM
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Tried drilling some 1.46 OD shims to the .812 ID. Didnt work to well ended up grinding them out with a burr.
Heads are on but waiting for some ARP assembly lube was out of it.
Cam is in Pushrod length checked and pushrods ordered.
Front cover on water pump on.
Ordered some exhaust pieces.
Should all be here tomorrow.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:16 PM
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Exhaust stuff showed up but was unacceptable there going back. Pushrods showed up. Another set back. Thought all would be togeather but the exhaust. One of the rocker arms fell appart. They were take offs from a Pantera engine I rebuilt for a cusomer years back. They didnt look good enough for a solid roller cam. So I kept them and put better ones on his engine. Guess that was a good thing ...... for both of us.

At anyrate new exhaust stuff possibly Monday... Tuesday for shure. Rockers Wensday. Been busy though making some changes to improve some things. Here are some pics of what it will look like.
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Worked out the coolant and heater plumbing today.
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Old 03-07-2011, 01:29 AM
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Things are moving along. Discovered the distributors mechanical advance is not working. It is rusted to the shaft. Thinking about a 6AL programable.
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