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Old 10-20-2010, 10:36 PM
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Damn!!! and i thought i was confused before at this rate i`ll never get my build done.!!!!!
X2 I'm so far down that I have to look up to see bottom.
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Damn my head is spinning.

Tom, again, I have no clue who you, and for you to come on here and lecture down to board members, whom we have known and whom we consider our friends, is a little presumptuous. I hope you hang around, but remember, everybody has their own perspective and opinions, so cut us some slack.

My opinion: Enjoy the fact that really good heads for the BBF are cheap nowadays.

No personal experience here, but I like how Darin Morgan put it:

"Where people get into trouble is when they get a magical rod ratio in their head and screw up the entire engine design trying to achieve it. The rod ratio is pretty simple. Take whatever stroke you have, then put the wrist pin as high as you can on the piston without getting into the oil ring. What-ever connects the two is your rod length."

But what do I know? I'm just a land surveyor not an engine builder.
BigBlockRanger, I stand corrected for "lecturing down one of the board members" However does the board members of this forum customarily make statements like "Rod angles and other theories are 99% nonsense when it comes to their influence on performance"? Is this how board members respond to individuals that might have an opinion other than their own? Is there something here I'm missing? Should we introduce subjects or opinions only if they correspond with those of certain individuals within the forum? So was I "presumptuous" in rebuting Dave McLain's rebutal? All this and with good intensions to share something I discovered to be of value. Mmmm, this is interesting. No wonder there's members that are afraid to speak up or start threads.
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:57 PM
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Well I for one love all the info, Keep it coming
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Ahh nevermind.

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Old 10-21-2010, 10:46 AM
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No big deal, a good discussion is always fun and a good thing.
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Let's get back to the topic. What kind of budget? Your budget build may be different than my budget build, or anybody elses for that matter.
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Old 10-21-2010, 05:29 PM
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I'd say that a 460 about like the one I was talking about could be built for $3500 or less just depending on what sort of deals could be found on parts and how much of the work you could do yourself.

Not expensive for an engine that makes close to 600 horsepower.
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Old 10-21-2010, 07:02 PM
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"Oh, and Dave, aren't you a circle track motor builder?'
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I've known Dave for a long time......he builds engines 598" or 358".
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Wes Littrell's cousin Shannon's '62 Ford pickup ran 6.60's at 100mph at the Big Ford Bash 1 with a low dollar 460 engine. It had KB-137 flat top pistons, home ported Dove heads, Victor intake and a Ford 514 crate engine roller cam(swap meet purchase).

I dyno tested the engine and it made 585 horsepower at 6000rpm with either a Ron's injection or a 1050 gas Dominator carburetor. He ran it in the truck on methanol with the Ron's setup.
HOW MUCH DID IT WEIGHT!
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HOW MUCH DID IT WEIGHT!
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The main problem I've been having lately is everyone thinks you can build a "RACE" engine for $1000.
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Old 10-22-2010, 07:20 AM
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I don't know exactly what Shannon's pickup weighed with driver but I would assume it was around 3200lbs. I don't see how it could be lighter. What does a stock '62 Ford pickup weigh with stock straight axle front end, stock frame etc. Then switch to a racing seat, install a 6 point cage, 460, Powerglide, 9 inch axle. Then install the driver which certainly was at least a 2-1/2....
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I've known Dave for a long time......he builds engines 598" or 358".
Common Lem, cut me some slack, I didn't know Dave and all I saw was the advertisement for his shop. I'll try to be nicer in the future. Besides, Dave and I have since hugged and made up.
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No disrespect intended........just wanted the facts out there .
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Old 10-22-2010, 04:18 PM
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Here's a video of my example budget 460 engine build running at Benton IL. Camaro is owned by a friend and on this day it was running 6.40's and the Ford pickup was running 6.50's. Camaro's engine made 525 horsepower, Ford made 585 on the same dyno:



These two guys are friends and they had a great time racing each other that day. Sorry for my rather poor camera work.
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