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I have never been a big fan of guns. My general rule of thumb is if it isn't shooting at you, then don't shoot at it. However with the recent extremely tragic events that have occurred around our great nation it is looking like the government is going to step in sometime soon and do something "government like". Knowing how many guns are already out there and also knowing that the government will never keep them out of the hands of deranged idiots no matter how hard the government tries I went out and bought my first gun this evening. It is a Springfield Armory XD, 5 inch barrel and .45 caliber. I live out in the middle of nowhere. When you walk out of my house all you hear are cows and crickets. No expressways, no trains.....just nature. I don't think I can rely on the police to make it out here in time if some actual gun wielding deranged idiot decides to stroll down my driveway. At least now I can take care of my home and family should some extreme event like that happen. I pray it never does. But if it ever did... I don't want to pray for a gun!


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Good for you! And an excellent choice of fire arm and caliber too. Now, if you haven't been in the past, go take a CCW class and at least get SOME training in what and how the law says you can do with it. From there get VERY proficient with it, and I'm talking thousands of rounds. If it comes down to money, start reloading your own, I do. And don't forget to include the family in the training also. You've just changed the rest of your life.....do it right .
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Good for you! And an excellent choice of fire arm and caliber too. Now, if you haven't been in the past, go take a CCW class and at least get SOME training in what and how the law says you can do with it. From there get VERY proficient with it, and I'm talking thousands of rounds. If it comes down to money, start reloading your own, I do. And don't forget to include the family in the training also. You've just changed the rest of your life.....do it right .
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I completely agree with you Rob. I think a class is in order. For myself and the rest of my people as well. I intend to do just that. Excellent advice.

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A pistol is nice, but nothing beats a short barrel 12Ga for home or personal defense.
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I just bought the 4 1/2 in model in .45cal this week. Also bought a AR 2 weeks ago while i could. But I just love guns now if I can just find ammo. Have acouple more guns I want to get but right now things are getting hard to get.
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I completely agree with you Rob. I think a class is in order. For myself and the rest of my people as well. I intend to do just that. Excellent advice.

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Make sure it is hidden away (but still handy!) and with a trigger-lock or similar.

More young kids get shot with handguns they 'found' in the bedside cabinet etc than do bad guys get shot with the same guns.

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Make sure it is hidden away (but still handy!) and with a trigger-lock or similar.

More young kids get shot with handguns they 'found' in the bedside cabinet etc than do bad guys get shot with the same guns.

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It came with a trigger lock and it is attached right now. I even keep the ammo in a completely separate location.
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I like guns as well, nothing like the smell of gun powder and shooting at the range or clay pigeons, is about it for me. I used to hunt but quite honestly I don't enjoy eating wild game so I don't even hunt anymore. The only thing with having a gun to protect yourself is the moment you decide you are going to use it to do just that you possibly have decided to alter someone either slightly or permanently, not sure I could do that.

The latest events last year are very sad and even as an outsider looking in something does have to change and what it is I don't know, if someone wants to kill someone they will get a gun wherever they can. We can buy long rifles but need a firearms certificate and we can also apply for a hand gun and you are subject to a background check, as for buying an AK-47 not going to happen besides why do you need one of those?

I just think it is sad that people feel they have to create some massacre that hurts so many people for what? Well I guess we'll never really understand that.

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Well said, Dman. I'm in a similar boat, except that I enjoy wild game, just been too busy the last few years to hunt. I travel for work, so that makes it tough. I 100% support our right in the US to bear arms, and get quite heated at the thought of a total gun ban, but I don't think that's a realistic fear. Assualt weapons may take a hit, as well as high capacity mags, which I would still disagree with, but that's not the end of the world in my book. Idk, to be honest, I haven't educated myself very much on what is being considered currently. As for buying an ak47? Its a lot like cars...its a hobby. They can be modified, taken to the range, and shown off. Why do we build 700HP+ cars? Do we need them? No, but its fun and brings enjoyment. That's my take, at least My favorite gun right now is my Russian Mosin Nagant. Its an old relic that can be found for dirt cheap, and converted into a pretty decent hunting rifle, which I have done.

As far as actually using a gun for self defense? I have a wife, 4 daughters, and my oldest's best friend living under my roof...6 females. There is no doubt in my mind wether or not I would use it...I pity the fool, lol. I also think its key that kids don't "find" guns. My daughters all know where I keep my handgun (as well as my other guns). Its locked, and I have the clips in a different spot, for extra safety, but they know and understand guns, so the curiosity factor is removed.

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Before this conversation starts to get out of hand on an uninformed/uneducated tangent, I'd like to repost a post from a member on another site that I frequent. If I were to take the time to sit down and write a reply about firearms/weapons and what I believe is the problem with the uninformed/uneducated attitude in this country about the subject, I would say this:

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"It’s hard to have an honest discussion about arms when there is so much disinformation, misinformation and out right lies coupled with something that generates such strong emotions.

For example; recently a well know TV personality (I don’t want to give him any more publicity, so I’m not going to use his name), made the statement / question “… why do you need military grade weapons…”

In response, I reject the entire premise of “military grade” as he and many others try to define it. Why? Well lets see; once upon a time muskets were “military grade” -Hell even “big stick’s” could once have been classified as “military grade weapons”. WWII surplus bolt action Enfield rifles were / are sold to the general public. These bolt action rifles, being formerly used by the military would definitely qualify as “military grade”. The style of rifle commonly recognized as a “hunting” rifle essentially has identical features and in most cases is of higher quality than the bolt action rifles that all the armies used during WWI and WWI to kill each other. Does that make your Ruger m77 or Winchester a “military grade weapon?”

Now let’s fast forward to an “assault rifle” Why would anyone need an assault rifle? This is a question often asked / used by the anti-gun. Usually under the guise of pro “sensible gun control” It’s effective. It generates an immediate emotional response. After all how could an intelligent, sane person defend the average Joe citizen running around the city with a bunch of military equipment designed to hurt and kill innocent people?

Let’s honestly look at some features to determine what an “assault rifle” is. First off it is often defined as a weapon being capable of firing in semi automatic fashion. With that definition, your browning semi auto shotgun you use for duck hunting, all 1911 style handguns, your uncles 30-06 semi auto deer rifle –that looks almost like your bolt action, are all “assault weapons”. –sometimes they add “removable magazine to the definition. Even with that addition, essentially all afore mentioned weapons are included.

If you include the capacity to fire fully automatic (aka machinegun), then virtually all of the very weapons the anti’s are trying to regulate out of your hands are excluded because they are not fully automatic weapons. Note: it’s already illegal to modify a gun (any gun) to fire fully automatic. It’s already illegal to poses a machine gun without a special (I’m a good guy with special knowledge and skills) permit.

So, honestly, besides the caliber, what is the difference between an AR style rife and a semi auto 30-06 that essentially looks like a “traditional rifle”? I’ll take the liberty of answering this for you. It’s how they “look”. It’s not how they function. One is not particularly more deadly than the other.

Oh, don’t tell anyone but, there is no magic caliber that will make someone more dead than another… It only takes 1 properly placed shot from any caliber, to make something dead. With that in mind, does it really matter if a magazine only holds 2 or 3 rounds, or 50, 100, 1000…?

If you broke into my home at 3:00am would you be more alert and or nervous if you were met by me holding: A- a .50 cal Hawken muzzle loader leveled at your head. B – a .22 cal Ruger10-22 with a bananna clip leveled at your head C- a 12 ga. SxS leveled at your head D – a .25 cal pistol leveled at your head E – a .50 cal Desert Eagle leveled at your head. Or F- Any of the above will equally cause me to pause.

Some parting thoughts:

If we ban water, will there be no more drowning?
If we ban alcohol, will there be no more deaths from drunken drivers?
If we ban tempers, will there be no more beatings?
If we ban knifes, will there be no more stabbings?

Please show me 1 instance where a gun –any gun, has loaded itself, cocked itself, pointed itself and shot at anything. –It does not even have to a documented story involving the death of anything. Just one documented story of a gun doing all those things all by itself. All I ask for is just one story where a person was not involved, by doing those actions.

Then I’ll start blaming guns and stop blaming people.

PS – It’s already illegal to do the things we have recently been reading about. It’s already illegal to own or poses a firearm if you are deemed mentally incompetent. It’s already illegal to own or poses a firearm if you are a felon. It’s already illegal to shoot people out side of a self defense situation (in some places it’s even illegal to shoot someone in self defense).

Take a peek at where the most restrictive gun laws are and compare that with the statistics of where you are most likely to be shot. Take a look at where mass shootings have historically been documented to happen and compare that with the areas labled “gun free zones”.

Take a look at the statistics of how many people actually doing the shooting are doing it with an illegally possessed firearm, or obtained the firearm through illegal methods. – Then ask yourself who will we be taking firearms away from with more restrictive gun laws?
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My Uncle Bob gave me model 1911 Colt 45cal. He also gave me a Colt "ACE" 22cal. Same gun/frame, size and function, just lot's cheaper to learn with. Point is, get something that matches or is close to what you have in a 22 cal. Next, ASAP, Go to a range and request instruction on the safe handling and use of a firearm. Then shoot it a bunch. This is where a high capacity magazine is very usefull. Just incase some one should ask.

Point 2, if your friends or neighbors bring up the "Assault weapons ban" of old, politely ask them "what do you understand that to mean"? Did it ban the sale, Ban the manufacture, Ban the possession of? No, No and No.

The past (Clinton) law changed components only. Flash suppresser, folding stock and other changes that had NO effect on function, ownership, sales or manufacture of.

Then ask them, why would the "news" keep using the deceptive term "Assault weapons ban" in their reports if it wasn't true?

It is my opinion "they", as a whole industry, are intentionally lying and can not be trusted to inform the masses of the working's of our government. If they keep you and your neighbors stupid, those in the seat of power can guide the country into what they want it to be and away from what is was created to be. Free!

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White Lightning...thank you for posting that. So will written and thought out. Pretty much summarizes my thoughts as well.
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White Lightning...thank you for posting that. So will written and thought out. Pretty much summarizes my thoughts as well.
It's simply the logical truth, and if the public as a whole doesn't get its collective head out of its arse we will ALL end up as cannon fodder for anyone else on this big blue marble who thinks that they can be a bully, no matter what country they're from, ours or someone else's. The problem is NOT with the weapon, the problem is with the wielder. Always has been, always will be. Can we legislate away ignorance? Of course not. Can we legislate away bully's and bad guys? Of course not. Should we have the inalienable right to defend ourselves? Absolutely! WAKE UP AMERICA! Some of the people that we have put into a position of making our decisions are running amok! They are putting their own personal agendas ahead of our rights and needs!
If you make a personal choice to not own a weapon, no matter WHAT it might be (and EVERYTHING on the face of this planet IS a weapon) then you put yourself in a position of depending on someone else to defend you and your loved ones. I view this as a callous, illogical and dangerous decision....and I personally have a huge problem with that. If and when the manure ever hits the fan you'll be one of the first to go. Sorry you made a bad decision.
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