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Old 02-05-2014, 10:29 PM
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What do you plan to do with the combo do you want to run pump gas?
Are the pistons dish top or flat top post some numbers for the pistons but the speed pros sit further in the hole what brand are the others
The 2-valve relief were Speed Pro H535CP60 and the single were Keith Black KB-137 060. I plan to have it on pump gas so looking to keep compression around 10:1 or lower.
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Old 02-05-2014, 10:40 PM
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The speed pro pistons are cast piston and the Keith black are hyper the kb pistons will have a tone of comp with a 75-72cc head if i was going to spend my hard earnd $ for pistons I would get a set of forged even if they are speed pro zero deck the block and you will be in the comp you want with a 75cc head
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The speed pro pistons are cast piston and the Keith black are hyper the kb pistons will have a tone of comp with a 75-72cc head if i was going to spend my hard earnd $ for pistons I would get a set of forged even if they are speed pro zero deck the block and you will be in the comp you want with a 75cc head
I know a few people who have ran Hyper pistons in actual Dragster blocks and have no issues, even on alkie. I honestly dont feel a need to spend unnecessary money for something Forged when I will not be running it that hard.

I was more so looking to see what benefits or problems may occur if I used a 2-valve relief SP Flat Top pistons (being the cheaper ones), or the single valve relief KB Flat Top pistons. Will there be piston to valve contact due to misalignment of valve reliefs? Are the 2-valve pistons for specific heads or can I get away with running D0VE heads with them? The only other difference's I've noticed are that the Keith Blacks are 1.772 CD vs the Speed Pros which 1.752 CD, which means the speed pros sit lower as you said earlier.
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Either piston will be fine you always want to check piston to valve clearance when putting a motor together I can't tell you for sure if you will have problems as all builds are different. I understand how you feel on the pistons if you go with the kb pistons Make sure to set the ring gaps as spec says that is critical on the kb's
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Old 02-09-2014, 08:34 PM
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Got a little more prep work done today. Cleaned up some of the rough casting edges, deburred the cam ports in the lifter galley, scrapped off excess paint and gasket material. Also ported a few of the oil passages to remove all 90deg into a better flowing rounded edge, and opened up the water passages from years of build up. Going to give the block a nice pressure wash pre-clean before sending it off to the machine shop.





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Old 02-11-2014, 01:01 PM
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Thought I would share my checklist with everyone:

Motor Parts

Ford 460 BBF Long Block
FRPP Rear Sump Pan w/ Pickup
FRPP 460 Swap Mounts
Edlebrock Performer 460 Aluminum Intake
750CFM Demon Street Carburetor
Engine Machining
Engine Balancing
460 Headers for Fox Body
Speed-Pro Hypereutectic Pistons Press-Fit (PN: SLP-H535CP60)
COMP Cams High Energy Hydraulic Lifters (PN: CCA-832-16)
Summit Racing Blueprinted HEI Distributor (PN: SUM-850026)
PRW Aluminum Water Pump (PN: PRW1446000)
Ford D6VE/D0OE-A “Football” Rods
ARP Cam Bolt (PN: ARP-155-1001)
ARP Balancer Bolt (PN: ARP-150-2501)
ARP Main Cap Bolts (PN: ARP-155-5202)
ARP Rod Bolts (PN: ARP-155-6003)
ARP Head Bolts (PN: ARP-255-3701)
ARP Engine Bolt/Accessories Kit (PN: ARP 555-9701)
460 Felpro Gasket Set (PN: FEL-KS2305)
King Main Bearing Set (PN: KGB-MB5650SI)
FRPP Cam Bearing Set (PN: FMS-M-6261-A460)
King Rod Bearing Set (PN: KGB-CR816SI)
Professional Products PowerForce Harmonic Damper (PN: PFS-80008)
Summit Racing Double Roller Timing Chain Set (PN: SUM-G6630-9)
Proform Brass Freeze Plug Kit (PN: PRO-66556)

TRANSMISSION/SUSPENSION PARTS
Ford C4 Transmission
B&M Shift Improver Kit (PN: BMM-50262)
UPR/Granatelli/QA1 Tubular K Member
1990 Mustang Manual Steering Rack
Ford 351M/400 Bell Housing (PN: D5OP-7976-BA)
FRPP 3.73 Ring and Pinion Kit
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:51 AM
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No updates this week. Setting a little aside from the Tax Refund for this and hopefully should start getting things rolling again.
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:23 AM
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Doing a bit of calculations; These are the specs I'm comparing to get a decent output and keep it on pump gas:

Bore: 4.420in
Stroke: 3.850in
Cyl Head: 91.30cc (D3VE-A2A)
Piston Head: .065in (Oblong Dish)
Deck Clearance: .020in
Gasket: .038in

Compression: 10.05:1
Cubic Inches: 472.59
Displacement: 7747.38


Bore: 4.420in
Stroke: 3.850in
Cyl Head: 91.30cc (D3VE-A2A)
Piston Head: .240in (Oblong Dish)
Deck Clearance: .020in
Gasket: .038in

Compression: 9.8:1
Cubic Inches: 472.59
Displacement: 7747.38


So with all that and the dropping the cylinder head volume to D0VE 75.8cc it'd make it over 11:1 so looking like I'll be running the D3VE heads and just get them a nice PnP.

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Old 02-20-2014, 06:49 PM
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Thought I would share my checklist with everyone:

Motor Parts

Ford 460 BBF Long Block
FRPP Rear Sump Pan w/ Pickup
FRPP 460 Swap Mounts
Edlebrock Performer 460 Aluminum Intake
750CFM Demon Street Carburetor
Engine Machining
Engine Balancing
460 Headers for Fox Body
Speed-Pro Hypereutectic Pistons Press-Fit (PN: SLP-H535CP60)
COMP Cams High Energy Hydraulic Lifters (PN: CCA-832-16)
Summit Racing Blueprinted HEI Distributor (PN: SUM-850026)
PRW Aluminum Water Pump (PN: PRW1446000)
Ford D6VE/D0OE-A “Football” Rods
ARP Cam Bolt (PN: ARP-155-1001)
ARP Balancer Bolt (PN: ARP-150-2501)
ARP Main Cap Bolts (PN: ARP-155-5202)
ARP Rod Bolts (PN: ARP-155-6003)
ARP Head Bolts (PN: ARP-255-3701)
ARP Engine Bolt/Accessories Kit (PN: ARP 555-9701)
460 Felpro Gasket Set (PN: FEL-KS2305)
King Main Bearing Set (PN: KGB-MB5650SI)
FRPP Cam Bearing Set (PN: FMS-M-6261-A460)
King Rod Bearing Set (PN: KGB-CR816SI)
Professional Products PowerForce Harmonic Damper (PN: PFS-80008)
Summit Racing Double Roller Timing Chain Set (PN: SUM-G6630-9)
Proform Brass Freeze Plug Kit (PN: PRO-66556)

TRANSMISSION/SUSPENSION PARTS
Ford C4 Transmission
B&M Shift Improver Kit (PN: BMM-50262)
UPR/Granatelli/QA1 Tubular K Member
1990 Mustang Manual Steering Rack
Ford 351M/400 Bell Housing (PN: D5OP-7976-BA)
FRPP 3.73 Ring and Pinion Kit
The parts list looks good but two things stand out to me. I'd find an alternate distributor. My experience with Summit Racing brand parts has not been good. One of my last issues with their parts was an ignition box that was dead on arrival. I didn't try to use it for a month or two after I got it so by the time I discovered the problem I was screwed. Maybe consider one of "The Madd Porters" recurved distributors and a good old MSD 6AL ignition box. Or just a different brand HEI.

I also don't care for the Professional Products harmonic damper. They are fine on Grandpa's car for going to the grocery store and back but if you plan on spinning the motor and using it like I know you want to I'd step up to a better part there. You really do get what you pay for with those.

Good luck with the build. That is a very nice looking Foxbody. I have a Foxbody build thread in here somewhere. I really need to get it updated.

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Old 02-21-2014, 07:08 AM
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The parts list looks good but two things stand out to me. I'd find an alternate distributor. My experience with Summit Racing brand parts has not been good. One of my last issues with their parts was an ignition box that was dead on arrival. I didn't try to use it for a month or two after I got it so by the time I discovered the problem I was screwed. Maybe consider one of "The Madd Porters" recurved distributors and a good old MSD 6AL ignition box. Or just a different brand HEI.

I also don't care for the Professional Products harmonic damper. They are fine on Grandpa's car for going to the grocery store and back but if you plan on spinning the motor and using it like I know you want to I'd step up to a better part there. You really do get what you pay for with those.

Good luck with the build. That is a very nice looking Foxbody. I have a Foxbody build thread in here somewhere. I really need to get it updated.
Thanks, that is just an initial parts list so I could get some feedback which you have given.

In that case, I might just get another brand, I was thinking with just going to a Distributor to coil setup without a box.

Is there a recommended Damper that you suggest?



Right now I am strictly focusing this build more towards something I can get in and start right up and drive to work when I feel like it with an occasional "lean on it." I do have plans in the future to possibly go ALL OUT for a track specific car. But for now I just want something fun to drive without hurting the wallet where I dont necessarily HAVE to. A near stock 460 with a little bit of machine work can still make a pretty fun ride, especially in a Fox body.
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Old 02-21-2014, 05:16 PM
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This would be good for what you are doing now:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/tf...view/make/ford


If you wanted to overbuild now and be able to grow into it you have a few choices. Something like the ones below would be good for that.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/at...view/make/ford

I have this one on my motor:
http://www.460ford.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158426
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:18 PM
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Picked this up for $150 today. Brand new Ford Racing aluminum driveshaft.

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Old 03-09-2014, 04:26 PM
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Gave the block a nice pre-clean then off to the Machine shop tomorrow.

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Dropped the Block off eariler this week at the Machine Shop and forgot the main caps. Handed those off yesterday and he said he should have the block done this weekend. Also according to the tracking info, should have my new Balancer when I get home today. Ended up scoring a deal for a brand new one from Randall on here.

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Old 03-31-2014, 02:49 PM
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Got the block back from the machine shop a couple weeks ago and then these showed up today, Speed Pro Flat tops (4.420).

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