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F350 460 overheat

I have read a bunch of stuff try iij ng to figure out what is causing the overheating. It is a f350 470 automatic transmission. I have changed spark plugs wires and adjusted timing to 12 adv. New water pump, 4 thermostats at different temps, fan clutch, temp sending unit, and the radiator is 2 years old. The truck feels like it has tons of power but anytime I drive it it gets warm and bounces the temp gauge from 3/4 of the way and boiling to 1/4 of hot and not boiling. When I have on the gas stays cool but when I let off and coast it will warm up. After I get it home and park it will warm up a bit. Then when I rev it will cool down. I notice when it's running it dont look like any hoses are collapsing but when I shut it off it seems like it is trying to suck from the thermostat to the top of the radiator. And when I take the cap off it sucks air and stops boiling. I don't know what to do next.
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HI, HHMM a couple of things come to mind..
is the thermostat pointing the proper direction .. towards the radiator..
If it has a clutch fan is it working properly
is there a fan shroud they help a lot.
are you getting enough coolant in it, coolant should be no more that 1" below the radiator cap. Run it to temp, shut it off let it cool and recheck coolant level.
and lastly how old is the pressure cap.. if it does not hold the proper pressure it can cause the loss of coolant and you won't see the loss it well just be gone, because it is pushed out while driving..
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The pressure cap is new and thermostat is installed correctly. I even looked up how to install it even tho I know how just to make sure. I have filled it and got it to temp then shut it off before and everything was good. Then I started driving got hot again. Also new antifreeze.
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It does have the fan shroud and everything it is suppose to have. The fan clutch does work I can hear it engage when its suppose to
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12? whats total timing?

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When I have the spout off it's at twelve with it on it's above 20 maybe 25
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When I have the spout off it's at twelve with it on it's above 20 maybe 25
it will never run right ,or cool with 20 or 25 total.

YOUR prob checking it wrong, total should be check @ 3000 to 3500 rpm

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I guess I dont understand. so am i suppose to check the timing with the spout in and rpms at 3000 rpms
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Correct. With the spout removed it tells the ECU not to adjust timing so thatís when you set base timing. With the spout in the distributor follows the timing curve thatís programmed in the ECU. With the spout in bring the rpmís up to 3K and see what the timing is at that point. Having a digital timing light with a tach on it is a big help.
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With the EFI 460's a timing jump to 20+ when the spout is plugged back in indicates that the pip signal is getting to the ECM. Simply increasing RPM to 3000 does not give an accurate picture of total timing because the ECM is adding part throttle vacuum based timing to the existing RPM based timing tables.

If you do not have a PIP code your timing is likely fine. You can also do a timing test in KOER if memory serves.

Have you used an infrared gun to get temp information?

Is the engine unopened?

Can you see proper water flow through the radiator?




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I have flow threw the radiator and as far as I know the motor has never been worked on. I do not have a temp reading gun i will go pick one up. That being said I known its getting hot enough to make 50/50 mix boil
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I have flow threw the radiator and as far as I know the motor has never been worked on. I do not have a temp reading gun i will go pick one up. That being said I known its getting hot enough to make 50/50 mix boil

Bottom hose has a spring and does not collapse?




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Here's a test for the clutch fan i think?.. take a piece of masking tape. with motor cold and tape the fan so it don't turn when started. once it heats up it should lock up enough to rip tape and start fan moving. if it don't brake the tape clutch fan is bad??

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Is the radiator cooling fan original to the truck and does it have 7 blades? What fan clutch did you purchase, brand and number wise. I ask due to 460 car applications also having 7 fan blade fans although they are not as large or aggressive(less blade pitch) as compared to a truck/van application cooling fan. This is also differences with the fan clutch itself, the truck application is a heavier duty unit and has a different fan attachment bolt circle as compared to a car application. A Hayden #2799 is a good choice, I believe Hayden is also the supplier for the factory replacement Motorcraft fan clutch. Anything changed pulley-wise from stock? Not sure of year of EFI 460/application, but I had a '90 F350 4x4 w/ 460 and it would start to ping when initial timing was over 10-11 degrees, now this was with using 87 and 89 or a mix of both. Just trying to help.

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Hi something for thought.. I believe if you can hear the clutch fan making a roar (making noise while running) is a sign of it going bad.. just a thought.. since your problem is at idle it might not be working at idle..
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