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Need 302 header help in 66 stang

I know I know... it's a 302 question... don't flame me please. I need some help finding a shorty header for my 66 mustang with a 302 I've built. I am having a hard time finding anyone that has these headers available. If anyone knows of a site or a company that could help me I would greatly appreciate it.

460ford.com has been my only goto site for so long now I don't even know where to look. I've google until my google fell out and I haven't found anything except JBA and they want my first born for a shorty header. I thought this was a common swap and could find a million manufacturers but I've only found 1.

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Motor is currently being built, should be good for about 800+ at the wheels. (with giggle juice and streetable)
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just curious, but why a shorty? My fathers 66 coupe has Hedman Elite long tubes and they fit great. Just wondering....

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Check out Accufab, they make them.

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Seth, in answer to your question:

I am building a little 300 hp at the flywheel 302/306 and don't really need a long tube or an equal length. The car is going to sit pretty low when it's done so, I want the extra clearance on the bottom side of the car. I'm not worried about performance as this is not going to be a full blown performance car. It's a Sunday cruiser that is more for show than go. I have full length headers for my 545" big block.


Chuck, thank you for the info! Will be checking into those!

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how about the factory ford shorty that came on the 5.0 mustangs?

would they work?


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Randy, no idea but I'm going to go ahead and say no since the shock towers are so close in the 66 mustang that I don't think they would fit without having to cut the shock tower.

I will do some reading on that and see what I find out. Thanks for the idea.

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do you want me to measure the distance from the block to the out side of the header? I just happen to have a set on an engine sitting in the garage???


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JBA used to make some.


Looks like they still do
http://www.jbaheaders.com/07autoshortyheaders.htm

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I understand. After comparing some headers with my old man's 66, I think a set of unequal length shortys from a fox box would work. Definetily something to check into.

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I'm running the Headman header on my 64 Falcon. It works very well.

Should be about the same for the 66.

Shorty is really the only way to go on the 66. From what I understand, a long tube will require you to pull the engine if you need to change the starter...

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Why not use a set of the tri-y's?
http://mustangsunlimited.com/itemdy0...atKey=EMUSTANG

Used a set years ago, work pretty good on a mild engine and they dont hang down very far. OE on 65-66 shelbys.

The engine bay on the early cars is narrower than the fox bodies, not to mention that the steering is different... I think the box gets in the way.

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You can often get away with using 5.0 style shorties in an early Mustang BUT, not in an early Falcon. Problem is that the Mustangs are stretched about 1 1/2 to 2 inches between the firewall and motor mounts. The downturn gets awfully close to the firewall with the 5.0's. Don't ask how I know.

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OK...I gotta ask....How do you know ?? LOL

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Hey, Thanx alot you guys! I really didn't expect to get much of a response on this thread, and as I've been doing some reasearch, let me tell you how all this has started...

I am building up the car for my cousin. So, I have been putting together all the parts for about the last year. Finding a motor, AOD trans, intake, and used parts to put this motor together for under $1K! I've been lucky in my finds to say the least. Now that it's time for assembly, I wanted to do everything at once and not leave him without his car for a couple months... just a couple weeks.

Paul, This is where it all started the other day. I'm going to post the messages I sent and recieved from Hedman on the 88400 shorty header. 1, I'm either dealing with an idiot or 2, I am cartarded.

Quote: Need to know if part number 88400 will work without modifications (major) to a 1966 mustang.

Here is what I have:

1966 Mustang Convertible

1988 302 roller block
1969 D00E 302 heads (square port exhaust)
1988 AOD transmission

Everything on the mustang is in the stock location. Will I need to do any mods with these headers? I am replacing the whole exhaust so I don't need information on anything other than if I'm going to have to move the rack, get a C4 instead of the AOD, I don't have cats so I don't have to worry about those.

Thank you for your time,
Jason




Hedman's Reply: Thank you very much for considering Hedman Hedders for your exhaust products. We have researched your application, and we regret to say that to we do not offer a hedder for your application.

We greatly appreciate your giving Hedman a shot. Please try us again for any of your future Hedder, muffler, exhaust tip or exhaust system needs.

Respectfully,
The Hedman Hedders Tech Team



My response: You are kidding me right? This has got to be one of the most popular applications out there! A 302 in a 66 Mustang and you don't have a header for it? However you had a header for my 351 Cleveland Cobra Jet to squeeze into my 84 thunderbird in 1992? Weird...


Headman: That application was through our racing division It was a Husler hedder

*This is why I'm asking for information. I would have already bought the dang headers from Hedman but I don't want to make a purchase that won't fit. I have read on some sites, selling the Hedman 88400, that they will fit without mods and some sites saying they won't. I really do appreciate all your guys help in this.

Randy, if you want to take a measurement that would be great but I've been reading all day and night and haven't found anyone able to use them.

Thanx again guys,

J.

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