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Finally someone stands up with some [email protected]$$$$$

I know most here dont like Nascar Wrestling, niether do I. It's no where near what it use to be. Finally someone within their ranks has stood up and spoken for those that don't like whats hapenning. Wether you like this driver or not you have to respect the man for speaking out. Now I wonder if he will be barred or fined for "actions detremental to the sport" as they call it.

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Politcs of Sport

Hey and dont forget what happened to Bob Glidden for speaking out about the giggle juice thing a few years back.

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Glad to see somebody saying something about all this. Like Dave Letterman says "that Tony Stewart is kinda phyco".

I like what he had to say about the money. Most of these guys make enough in one year that they could walk away and never work again. It makes me wonder why they don't walk away at this point, or at least start voicing there concerns. Maybe Stewart's comments will inspire other drivers/owners to follow suit.

The comment Nascar made about how there's plenty of other drivers that would gladly step into Stewart's shoes is a fine example of what's wrong with them. It's like they think they're the only kid in the neighborhood with a ball to play with.

Stewart's idea of an independant officiating is a good one, but I don't see the puppet masters ever turning over the power.

I've never liked the way Nascar tries to put everybody in line. Seems like the day Earnhart Senior died, it all started changing. I'm sure if he were around, he'd be yelling about the flags, and the COT, and the boring tracks.

And as long as I'm ranting....that wing on the back of the COT is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen! What was wrong with the old spoilers? Is that wing some sort of attempt to appeal to the ricer crowd? Did the manufacturer of the wing slip some payola to Nascar so they would use it? I'm really starting to think this COT thing is where Nascar is "jumping the shark".

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If I have read and ASSumed right on the aerodynamics, the "ricer" wing is to get rid of the possibility of bumping your way ahead. Which means taking the air "off" the spoiler, bump the back end, make the front person "loose", and drive on past.

NASCRAP is the only fish in the tank and they know it, so this will continue. If there was a serious attempt from IRL/Champ Car/SCCA, you wouldn't be seeing this. But all those have there own problems to address before taking on a bigger fish, like NASCRAP.

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Greed always gets ya!

NASTYCAR will find out just like IRL/CART that the greedy end up being the needy. I'm an old fart that loves the watch the "Back in the Day" series Jr. hosts because I remember the Drivers and the RACES.

The COT is not unlike IRL/CART getting everything to be same-o same-o and boring the heck out of everyone. At the rate it's going, one day before long NASTYCAR will announce it has a new technical division that builds and tests all cars and all the drivers do is drive. That will go right along with their CPC or Common Pitt Crews that will all be owned and operated by NASTY.

I think it started with restrictor plate racing AND hiding everything under the "safety" banner. Naw, this subject didn't make my blood boil, but I think I'll go sit on a block of ice (something else we had "back in the day")

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Hell.. Tony's just venting. Pretty much a typical reaction out of someone being a poor sport. :roll:

As far as "Bob Glidden" don't get me started, he's calling the kettle black??? He was the biggest/longest cheater in the history of prostock, he was just good enogh to get away with it...Kudo's for him, I repect someone good at picking the rules apart and playing in the gray area of the sandbox. but he should be humble enough to keep his big arrogant mouth shut.
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Hell.. Tony's just venting. Pretty much a typical reaction out of someone being a poor sport. :roll:

As far as "Bob Glidden" don't get me started, he's calling the kettle black??? He was the biggest/longest cheater in the history of prostock, he was just good enogh to get away with it...Kudo's for him, I repect someone good at picking the rules apart and playing in the gray area of the sandbox. but he should be humble enough to keep his big arrogant mouth shut.
Arrogant mouth shut? How much time have you spent with Glidden I wonder? I have spent quite a bit of time with him in my 25 years and I am not quite sure who you might be talking about. Maybe your talking about WJ the biggest crybaby in motorsports besides Tony Stewart. I hung out with Bob, Billy and Rusty many times in my life. Went down to Atlanta and spent the weekend with the whole gang. He would sit for hours and sign autographs for anyone who came for one. More than can be said for WJ and others. He would let people into the pits to stand by the car in between rounds while they were working on the car to get pictures of him and the car together. Same can be said for Billy now if you go to a NMRA, NMCA, or Fun Ford event. Always the nicest people you meet. Maybe you just met him on a bad day, but he is and was one of the nicest drag racers I have ever met.
Also pro stock is a class in which the gray area is used by EVERYONE in the class. Call it what you will but building a stronger motor building a better car, setting up a clutch better is things in which all pro stock racers at that time could do. He built the best of motors worked inside and out on his intakes. Heck even had one of the worst pro stock crashes of that time and the first thing he does when he gets out. Throws his jacket over the intake and carbs. He was a master engine builder and had some good people around him. Who knows what would have happened if Ford did not pull the funding from his program after he built his last motor. Billy said it was evil on a dyno. He did alot for Ford and their Racing program. I guess next you will bad mouth Greg Anderson for cheating so much since he wins all the time!

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Cobrakid -

Short story, when I was a young boy in the military during the late 70's early 80"s I was base stationed in the south. I idolized Glidden and many like him during his day. I drove miles to a NHRA race mainly to watch Bob Glidden. When I showed up at the event he was the only "prostock" racer that had an enclosed paddock area that the fans could not see him, his car and crew. When I came close the enclosed paddock area it had a small sign that said ....

" if your not a Glidden, you dont have a need to know"

That was the point/day I decided he was an" arrogant Azzhole" that didn't appriciate the fan base and the people who admired him and others like myself.The fact that young boys like me admired him and supported what he done for a living. That made an impression on me that was life lasting regarless of all the accomplishments that I admired about him. If he had a bad day, he should have went home and blown up a chevy on the dyno..instead of offending his fans and supporters.

In my opinion who knows maybe it was his attitude why FORD pulled out their sponsorship money. They seem to be quite happy with John Force who does an amazing job with his fan base and for NHRA.
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Not sure where you were or what day or time that as. But I have 100's of pictures of me with him and his family during the 80's and 90's. Not sure if it was just you and your bad experience but I have drove from GA to Indiana to watch him race and have alot of pics, signatures and model cars that he has signed and made with me. In the day he was like John Force is now. Even when he was working with Larry Morgan I had him sign some stuff for me and he just smiled and I asked him about Billy and Rusty since we never see Rusty anymore. Never had a bad experience with him no matter if it was Indy, Gainesville, or Atlanta. We each have our own experiences but I do know those guys have a job to do and to have open pits even in that day would have made their job even harder. Also to keep things private than and to keep competition from being able to see his motor and configuration is what made him very tough to beat at the time. To let just anyone into your pits can help the competition get an idea of what you have going on with your motor. Same reason he threw his fire jacket over his motor after the wreck. He was a lone Ford in a sea-full of Chevy's. Never wanting anyone to still his ideas. Engine builders are particular on who sees what they have and the enclosed pit area helped to stop those wanting to see his motors. If you ever see him ask him about it I am sure he would be more than happy to let you know what was going on. But he always made the time to walk to the little flags that made his pit box and signed autographs and would take the kids over to the car and take a pic with them. Adults not quite sure but he was ahead of his time and made the most power from his engines. Just talk to Billy sometime about the long hours and days they spent on the car and motors.
Just Imagine trying to get as close now as you could than and you would be escorted out of the facility. You would never go to a race again or like a driver because most have like a 300X300 space marked out and your not allowed anywhere near their cars.
Also, by the way Ford pulled their money to concentrate on Nascar, and other ventures they were wanting to take. This was after they told Glidden to build another motor, dyno it, and get it approved by NHRA. After he did all of the above they said thanks but no thanks.

But, to make a very harsh opinion or speak as ill over a man you have never really met or talked too is not very right. I have never met you and I would not make a opinion on you by what you write on this forum. The same should be said about Bob Glidden those who have met him, can attest that his is a very nice person really. Maybe you need to drive to Whiteland and introduce yourself :lol:

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I met him when they were at Noble some years back. Real nice guy, hell we stood there and handed Rusty parts of the car. My old boss used to run super stock stuff and did the tour thing and had a lot of good stories to tell. He is not one of the colorful fellers you see giving the interviews of today, he is just Bob. Still got the autographed poster of the Tbird. Smoked a lot of cigs, He was tellin us about the new wedge heads and I thik he burned like 4 or 5 in the timeframe :lol:
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Cobrakid - maybee you should start a fan club, if your so amused with his people skills.

I could really give a rat's *** what opinion you have of myself. I'll continue the opinion I have of Bob Glidden and I will demonstrate it at will wether you approve or not. The man was a moutain motor guru but he simply couldn't play in the sandbox without throwing sand

we will have to agree to dissagree, I am glad to see he friended someone.
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Not really a mountain motor at only 500 Cubic inches. Now the 814 that is a mountain motor and Kaase is in that sandbox. And truthfully I could care less what you think of my opinion most on here have the same of him.

And throwing sand would not be the word I would say more like speaking the truth and NHRA wanted to keep the Chevy's as close to him as they possibly could if not out in front. Just like Nascar the rules do not seem to always be fair when dealing with Ford vs. Chevy. I guess they should step in like they did when the Ford was dominating the Pro Stock scene, and give some others a chance. Maybe Cunningham could get his car in.

And yes I was a member of his fan club and still say hello to him, Etta and Billy every now and than. They are a great racing family. Maybe your a fan of WJ and if so that explains alot and all you would have had to say.

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Cobrakid - I'm not going to contine to post after this and if you wish to make the last comment you can.

I don't think that Bob Glidden was treated un-fairly by anyone person, oragnization or sponsorship, given the way he played the game of racing and politics. I remember all the "shananagan's" he pulled with his sponsors and others his sponsor sponsored. And like father like son's, they were not even point competitors in an organization and created a "shanagan" of their own. :roll:

The biggest problem was Bob didnt get credited for all he deserved to be credited for, and I agree. he built and made milestones, but when you got others such as sponsors paying the bill's theres a sacrivice somewhere. If he wanted full credit for everything he had done, the only answer is to fund yourself.

Bob would consistanly "bully" his way with sponsors and others it went on for years, if he didn't play the game back and was ran over/laid back I would be closer to beleiving and feeling the "Boo Hoo story " for Bob. Bob decided the "my way or highway attitude" years ago and thats why he is still there today.Other have had the same fight and are the same place Bob is and there are others that handled it differently and are still in the game.

And as far as WJ I am no more of a fan of him than any other prostock compeitor, in fact he may be a touch more arrogant than Bob, but he smart enough not to pick fight w/sponsors he can't win. The field is so unreal close I enjoy and respect any racer/driver/manufacture in the class. Their pound for pound the most efficient use of their HP in racing.

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Bob would consistanly "bully" his way with sponsors and others it went on for years, if he didn't play the game back and was ran over/laid back I would be closer to beleiving and feeling the "Boo Hoo story " for Bob. Bob decided the "my way or highway attitude" years ago and thats why he is still there today.
I don't think Bob is doing much right now. I hate to say it because he was a great racer, but from what I understand Bob is the biggest reason Ford is not in Pro Stock and would not talk about being in Pro Stock for years. I'd imagine that the Hass effort is probably done without Ford backing.

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