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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 08-06-2007, 01:35 PM Thread Starter
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DIY Engine start-up stand

Hey guys, I'm working on a side project that should benefit my BBF passion .

I'm tired of getting the engine in my car only to find out I have a leaking head gasket, w/p gasket, and/or oil leak(s) that are difficult to address with the engine installed in the car. Therefore, I want to build a start-up stand for my BBF so I can start up the engine to check for these issues before installing it in the car.

It would be very easy to adapt this stand for other engines too. I prefer building this stand over a dyno for numerous reasons: no truck to haul engine to dyno and, honestly, I don't really care what hp it makes right now. I can easily tune the engine in the car.

Required items:
--Radiator/fan assembly
--battery/battery charger
--bell housing/starter
--ignition system
--fuel tank
--Headers

Questions

1) Do flexplates and flywheels use the same starter mounting depth? In other words, can I bolt a manual bell housing on the engine, but use a flexplate to engage the starter?

2) How wide should I build the bottom base? When free-revving an engine...it will torque the car over. Obviously, I don't want the engine to tip over in the garage.

3) If I mount the fuel tank higher than the carb, can I rely of gravity to feed the carb?



I don't expect to load the engine. I just want to run it and rev it to verify proper sealing. Get some casters, build a box frame, fabricate bolt-on engine stands/motor mounts, support rear of engine (bell housing), mount radiator, etc. It would probably take a full day to build everything, but it sure would be nice to have!

Assuming I haven't left any major components off my list, I only need to buy a bell housing and spend a couple hours of my time to build this thing. Then, I'll have it for any engine I build...

As always, any suggestions, guidance, and/or advice is appreciated.

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1. Flexplates and flywheels have different diameters, and require different starters and bell-housings. I use a manual bellhousing, but I modified it to accept auto starters and flexplates too.

2. I built mine off of an existing engine stand. The base of my stand is a little more than the width of the engine...maybe 32"? and it's never come close to flipping. Here's a video.... http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...63881159550320

3. Use a fuel pump. You don't want to mess around with it not lighting off right away. I use a mechanical pump.

Not that you asked.....but try to use a mechanical fan if you can. Electric fans have a hard time moving enough air to keep everthing cool.

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We made one for starting old flathead engines that go into WWII tanks. Once you put one in its a *&^% to get at to fix anything, so it needs to be dialed in and leak free. They don't rev over 4K so tipping over isn't a problem.

On yours I have a few suggestions:

*I would certainly use a fuel pump!
*A set of gauges should also be manditory on a break-in stand.
*More exhaust! Open headers are only cool for a few minutes, then the neighbors get mad, your girlfriend/wife gets mad, the dog runs away...
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-here's a link to a run in stand I use for various engines----with a 428 ford on it----
http://ryanbrownracing.com/Bill_Jones_Page2.html

-Maybe you can get some ideas.
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Now if the RLK will post pics of his, I won't have to try to take pics of mine. BTW, we have NO radiators, garden hose connects to lower hose. Old used headers work fine, if too loud...a couple of reducers and two El Cheapo turbo muffs work fine. I've had everything from Toylet 4 bangers, 170 inch FORD 6's, blown rat motors, Windsors, Cleveland's, FE's, 385's, 350 & 455 Pontyerak's, Hemi Chryslers and more on mine with NO problems. And, soon, a 1940 Graham-Paige factory supercharged inline 6.

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Ok Brotherman!

My engine run vid with stand I made..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu4reD7QI4k

Pic's for ideas below..

I can give ya dimentions and stuff just PM me..

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One more vid.. ya can see more detail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFRlFqfq_kI

I used an old ford van rad and some import elect fan.

Ign system was a chebbie module attached to an aluminum heat sinc.. I deas from here.. http://www.carbdford.com/tech/HEI/hei.htm

Used a c-4 pan fill bell but my plate I made, I also cut bolt holes for SM Blk Ford bell and Chebbie stick bell as well..

My engine mounts that bolt to the mid block are uni as well..

Well got to go!

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I see no reason a gutted C6 case couldn't be used, so you don't have to look for a bellhousing and flywheel and starter. Obviously, it would make the stand a little longer, but it would allow room for mufflers to hang from the headers, hang the "dash" with gauges and ignition and fan switches and a small fuel cell. The local high school has their's set up this way.

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I see no reason a gutted C6 case couldn't be used, so you don't have to look for a bellhousing and flywheel and starter. Obviously, it would make the stand a little longer, but it would allow room for mufflers to hang from the headers, hang the "dash" with gauges and ignition and fan switches and a small fuel cell. The local high school has their's set up this way.

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If your gonna go to the expence of making the run stand ya mind as well make it uni.. That way ya can go to every machine shop, auto parts store and give'em a card for engine run in aka cam brake - in.. Charge what ever.. I'd say at least $270.. and make your project profitable..

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This is a great post :!:

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I see no reason a gutted C6 case couldn't be used, so you don't have to look for a bellhousing and flywheel and starter. Obviously, it would make the stand a little longer, but it would allow room for mufflers to hang from the headers, hang the "dash" with gauges and ignition and fan switches and a small fuel cell. The local high school has their's set up this way.

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FMX auto transmission have detachable bellhousings that would work just fine for a run stand. Probably not on a dyno, but a run stand should be okay. They're on ebay all the time for nothing. Here's one now... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-...spagenameZWDVW

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Not having a stack of bellhousings...or a place to store them, I use the "tin plate" to locate the starter. Before anyone starts screamin about the plate flex'n and the starter banging the sawblade, if someone will post a picture of the simple brace we use, I'll E-mail it to ya.

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Not having a stack of bellhousings...or a place to store them, I use the "tin plate" to locate the starter. Before anyone starts screamin about the plate flex'n and the starter banging the sawblade, if someone will post a picture of the simple brace we use, I'll E-mail it to ya.
You can email the picture(s) to me and I'll post it up for everybody to see.

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