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Any shop lighting experts out there

How do you figure general lighting?. Should I go fluorescent or HID? Shop is 50 x 80, 14ft eave, 12:1 roof. There are 8 skylights and floor will be epoxied light gray. Looks like lights would only be needed after dark or on very cloudy days. I will put in task lighting as required. Bay doors face East/West. 1/2 of building is car storage, the other 1/2 is shop.

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Nice shop!! Is the shop heated? Will it be cold when you want to work in it?,,flourescent lights don't like the cold very much,up here in Michigan flourescents won't come on very well at all when cold and they are not very bright until they warm up,,on the other hand,you get the most light for the energy used.Metal halide bulbs are nice but they take a lot of power and require a couple minutes to come on.Regular incandesent bulbs come on right away and are in the middle as far as power required. hope this helps

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You can go to your local Home Depot and tell them you want cold weather
flourescent lights and you won't have any problems.... I use these and here in Montana when it was below zero mine fired right up with no delay.... My garage is only 24x30 but they light it up rather nicely...



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You can go to your local Home Depot and tell them you want cold weather
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.... I use these and here in Montana when it was below zero mine fired right up with no delay.... My garage is only 24x30 but they light it up rather nicely...



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I bought the High Output flourescents and they work great. On my 40X60 I can light up one whole bay (20X40) with 2 of the 6 foot lights. They work fine at the lowest temps you will see here in Central Texas (15-20 *F) They also turn on instantly. I hung my lights about 3 foot off the roof purlins by some small chain. It was simple, cheap, they work great and if you run the wire good it would look good.

Thats a nice shop by the way. It would take me approximately 4 months to have it filled with so much junk that you could not walk through it ops:

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I used 34 double tube 8ft fixtures in my shop, the walls are white and the floor is light gray and I love it. 24 of the fixtures are on the shop side and they are probably turned on about 25 to 30 hours a week and my electric bill is never over $50 a month and that's including my air compressor and welder use. This photo I took about 5 years ago right after I started installing the cabinets. Oh, by the way very nice shop 8)

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That a big shop, nice. Your ceiling seems to be adequate I would do a low/mid bay metal Halide fixture at 220 volts. Ech manufacture/ reflecter would determine and Square footage would determine how many to avoid shadowing.

The down fall is "start up" time with halide but you would need less of them fixtures then flouresent. There would be less fixtures which mean less bulbs and less maintenance.

I think with the ceiling height that a metal halide would provide a better quality light than the flouresents fixtures.

Where ever you have bench/mashines you can "chain drop" a floresent fixture over a dedicated aead w/switch.

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You can go to your local Home Depot and tell them you want cold weather
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.... I use these and here in Montana when it was below zero mine fired right up with no delay.... My garage is only 24x30 but they light it up rather nicely...



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I bought the High Output flourescents and they work great. On my 40X60 I can light up one whole bay (20X40) with 2 of the 6 foot lights. They work fine at the lowest temps you will see here in Central Texas (15-20 *F) They also turn on instantly. I hung my lights about 3 foot off the roof purlins by some small chain. It was simple, cheap, they work great and if you run the wire good it would look good.

Thats a nice shop by the way. It would take me approximately 4 months to have it filled with so much junk that you could not walk through it ops:

4 months...! Why so long??? :lol: :lol: It'd take me about an hour... :lol: :lol: :lol:




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4 months...! Why so long??? :lol: :lol: It'd take me about an hour... :lol: :lol: :lol:




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That shop is 50X80 and 14 foot tall!!! Thats big even for Texas I would have to go drag crap out of the pasture to fill it up. My 40X60 is stuffed full. I need to have a garage sale I can't wait to get our house built, then I can use our barn-apartment as my hideout. One room will have all my guns, hunting/fishing stuff and reloading stuff, one will have my more expensive tools like testing equipment, etc and of course a pool table and a table to play poker or dominos

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Appreciate the info. I am looking for some stuff cheap and didn't know if I could use HID with that low of a ceiling. Looks like I don't need as many fluorescents are I first thought.

I didn't add electrical to the project plan other than a 200A box in the barn. I'm not sure if I'm going to to the work myself or hire it out. Plan to get bid to see the difference between materials and material+labor before I make my decision.
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Whatever you do don't get these guys to install your lights.
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It has been said before but a shop can never have enough lighting or
outlets.

My shop is an odd ball size that's a little bigger than 40x50 (45ish x 55ish)
with a tall roof/peak. I installed seven of the big 8ft florescent (4 one
side, 3 the other). I was hoping that would be enough 8ft lights because
the shop isn't insulated & the bare shiny galvanized siding/roof
sheetmetal should reflect the light around a bunch. But I found the shiny
sheetmetal just doesn't reflect the light around as well as it would if the
walls/roof were painted white. The height of the lights off the ground
doesn't help any either.

So I will probably need to ad one more light to the row that only has 3, so
both sides will have 4. And then another row of 3 or 4 lights down the
center of the shop between the other two rows to fill out the coverage
better.

Install as many lights as you can, more lights is more gooder! :lol:

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You can never have enough lighting. I've got 6 dual bulb 4 footer flourescents in my 20x20 garage and I wish I had more.

I've evn got a dual bulb 4 footer hanging in the race car so I can see while I'm working on the cage and connectors!

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