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Okay I will be posting this in the general area too. I ahve a chance to pick up a FEW 460 motors. They are used but the all came off a generator. They ran LPG(propane) and were maintained to the best of my knowledge. What I am wondering is if there would be interest in anyone buying one of these engines for 400 dollars or possibly less if I can worka deal on the whole lot.? SO let me know if anyone might be interested.

I am going to check them out tomorrow but I do know they are complete from intake to pan.
 

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If they end up being like the one that s_stang found then I'd say they're definately worth $400 each. His had a Scat crank and H-beam rods, was a well pump motor if I remember right. Chris
 

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If they end up being like the one that s_stang found then I'd say they're definately worth $400 each. His had a Scat crank and H-beam rods, was a well pump motor if I remember right. Chris
Is there a way to check that with out taking off the oil pan??? If not ..what do i look for when the pan comes off?
 

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I would be, but shipping would probably kill the deal. I have seen lots of complete motors go from free to $250 here in the KC area. I should have been quicker on the draw.
 

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I would be interested in a couple, if they have the mentioned goody internals.
You have a bore scope?? if you do look up the oil drain pan for what the rods look like.
 

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Well I am sure if they have the fore mentioned internals I will have no shortage of buyers. I will be removing atleast one oil pan to check the internals...so I know what is in them.
 

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do they have hairdryers on them?
I did some work in a cummins generator plant and they had a bunch with turbocharged 460's.
 

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bagel51 said:
Okay I will be posting this in the general area too. I ahve a chance to pick up a FEW 460 motors. They are used but the all came off a generator. They ran LPG(propane) and were maintained to the best of my knowledge. What I am wondering is if there would be interest in anyone buying one of these engines for 400 dollars or possibly less if I can worka deal on the whole lot.? SO let me know if anyone might be interested.

I am going to check them out tomorrow but I do know they are complete from intake to pan.
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If they end up being like the one that s_stang found then I'd say they're definately worth $400 each. His had a Scat crank and H-beam rods, was a well pump motor if I remember right. Chris
Sorry guys, but 460 industrial engines NEVER came from the factory with SCAT cranks or H-beam rods. Or forged 460 cranks. BE CAREFUL what you read from s_stang, most of the time he is either talking out of his *** or re-gurgitating something he read before on the internet. I know because I have gone through the torture of reading his posts for years and years and have grown tired of chasing every incorrect statement of his and attempting to right his wrongs again and again.

What these engines WILL be is a D1VE or D9TE block, D3VE heads with spring cups, will likely have rods with footbal rod bolts, fully-grooved main bearings, and may even have a late casting D0OE-9425-C iron CJ-style intake manifold. And that's it...basically a bone stock 460 with a nice factory iron intake....maybe on the intake. Oh, one more thing...there is a very slight chance that they would have forged flat top pistons, if the engines were manufactured in the mid-1980's on up. If they are earlier than that, they have a cast dished piston. Finally, may or may not have a very large capacity oil pan, depending on applicaton.

Really man...,.I mean where was SCAT in the mid 1980's? I think they only made VW parts back then (seriously) and certainly did not sell parts to Ford.

Okay, all that being said....$400 for a complete engine with all the little stuff is a great deal. IF you have ever tried to build one of these engines from the block up, then you know what it's like to be nickel and dimed to death on the little stuff. You will be getting block, heads, crank, timing cover, rods, bolt hardware, etc. for just $400. Good deal.

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Good price on a core motor, but take into account that if they were used like a well pump motor the guides in the heads are probably toast and the valves too. I would put about 1000 hours per year on my industrial motors and would need to get the heads redone about every 4000 hours, that would mean new exhaust valves and guides.

On a side note Paul knows his stuff, I've read a lot of his posts and he don't blow smoke you know where.
Paul if you would comment, the factory forged pistons are relatively heavy units, but real durable from what I have heard. Good for a low RPM motor but not a race type forged piston.
 

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On a side note Paul knows his stuff, I've read a lot of his posts and he don't blow smoke you know where.
Paul if you would comment, the factory forged pistons are relatively heavy units, but real durable from what I have heard. Good for a low RPM motor but not a race type forged piston.
They were manufactured by TRW and had Ford part numbers on them. Those that I had weighed in at 982 grams with the supplied pin (802g + 180g):







(Note the "TRW" embossment just above wrist pin on the underside of the pistons, above.)

No heavier than an L2404 and on a good rod they can work in a high rpm engine, but there are far lighter and far superior pistons choices these days for upper rpm engines. But rugged they are, yes.

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Well paul thank you for the info. I am pretty sure they were made in 90 or later. Now I am going to ask what could be a dumb question do you think the heads would be toasted even on a propane motor? I mena I was under impression that propane burned much cleaner would be better for the motor? Just asking
 

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Propane does burn cleaner and these motors were probably running at 1800 RPM, so not hammered hard. Hours of operation have more to do with the condition of the valves and guides. It may be possible that there is an hourmeter on the gen sets if these are complete, but the meters could have been changed at some time also. One would be better to plan for the worst and hope for the best. If they saw limited run time they may be just as good as new. Inspection is the only way to know.
 

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okay got to see the motors today....I wasn't real impressed...My neighbor and I both bought one each. HIs turned out to be a BRAND new motor...never ran. looks like 10/10.5 ( I believe the term is dish) pistons. Haven't gotten any farther into the bock YET I will be taking block # and head casting #'s tomorrow if I can find them. I will also be checking bore and stroke. The motor I have is (I am assuming ) used I hopefully will get to check it out more tomorrow.

Paul it is a CJ style cast intake. but the heads seem a bit different them the stock ones my neightbor has on his bench. to the nake eye the intake seems larger and the exhaust smaller. I will check them tomorrow as well. We did notice one thin about the valves. they are squared off on the chamber side. only other odd thing I seem to see is they used marine head gaskets. Any idea why??

As far as selling the other two he had were well a bit on the crappy side. atleast the ones off the generators...there are 4 still on the gens that might be go will have a better idea after i open mind up to see what mine looks like. So right now I don't have any to see..I am sorry but if things change I will Let everyone know ASAP. I will aso post any #'s or measurements I find.
 
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