460 Ford Forum banner

1 - 20 of 22 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
17 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
This is my first big block build and thought I would share what I did. This build was frustrating at times but it's well worth it in the end.

514- 4.440bore x 4.150stroke
Scat Rotating assembly, 6.700 I-Beam rod, JE SRP 28cc inverted dome pistons.
Cam- Re-incarnation custom XR292 Solid Roller 250/[email protected] .662/.686 - I set it up at 6 deg retarded to keep the torque down at lower rpm.
Intake- Port-O-Sonic single plane - has NOT been ported.
Carb- Holley 850 Double Pumper - no spacer because of hood clearance.
Oil Pan- Ford Fox Body - added a baffle in the rear sump.
Oil Pump- Melling HV - also modified the front sump as the pump was hitting the bottom. Oil pan would not go on until this was done.
Distributor- MSD - 10deg initial with 31 total and heavy advance springs.
Exhaust- Hooker Super Competition 2" into a 3.5" collector.
Heads- DOVE's with 2.250 intake and 1.750 exhaust, ported myself with the help of http://reincarnation-automotive.com/ website porting tips.
Head Flow #'s
Lift Intake Exhaust
.100 89 68
.200 165 120
.300 224 147
.400 267 169
.500 290 179
.600 302 181
.700 313 181
.750 318
.800 321

Rockers- Harland Sharp

I installed this into my 79 Ford Fairmont Futura which previously had a fuel injected 302, which had gone 11.20's. The car did weigh 2900lbs with the small block and me in it (185lbs) and now weighs 3165lbs.
I'm using a C4 reverse manual valve body, TCI 4500 stall, 8.8 rear end with 3.27 gears and 31 spline axles and spool. The rear tires are 275/50 15 Mickey Thompson Drag Radials.
Here's the time slip from the second run out.
60' 1.523
330' 4.313
1/8 6.680
MPH 103.93
1000' 8.734
1/4 10.47
MPH 129.01
Feetfirst was there and can vouch for me.
I was also footbraking it, shifting at 5500rpm and the DA for the day was 2950'.
Also forgot to add that I am using the stock hood and closes with a Moroso air filter on, with not much space to spare.
I never thought the car would be this fast! All I was trying to do was build a motor that would run the 10.90 index class and not have to rev the hell out of it. Now I have to try and slow it down. LOL!

A BIG Thanks goes out to Hugo (Feetfirst) for all his help and advice on getting the right parts for this build. If it wasn't for him I would have not attempted this build as there is very few builders who know how to build the big block in this area. Also like to thank Scott from Reincarnation for the custom cam and fast shipping and to the guys on this board for there advice.

Thanks
Lance
 

Attachments

·
Registered
Joined
·
15 Posts
That's Great! I had a love-hate relationship with a peach 79 futura a few years ago. I once blew a hose on the highway, popped the hood to see what the hell and the flimsy hood rod support slipped and let the hood crack me in the skull. Woo I was pissed, plus it was my birthday which seemed to make it worse. But, the damn car started every time, even in below zero weather. It's great to see one bring the front wheels off the ground. Nice work!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,676 Posts
514's are a durn good motor! I ran one in my boat for a while with a tad less lift on the exaust and 1500 CFM worth of tunnelram and it was SCAREY fast. I was estimating the HP to be in the 600 neighborhood......GOOD FOR YOU! ;)
Rob
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
42 Posts
This is my first big block build and thought I would share what I did. This build was frustrating at times but it's well worth it in the end.
well done, i thought about stuffing a 460 in my fairmont but decided to get the 68 f100 for a big block project. yeah, i'm pretty much a chicken sh?t!

could i ask what the top 2 or 3 most frustrating times were? how well did the hooker headers fit?

cheers, claude
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
17 Posts
Discussion Starter #6
well done, i thought about stuffing a 460 in my fairmont but decided to get the 68 f100 for a big block project. yeah, i'm pretty much a chicken sh?t!

could i ask what the top 2 or 3 most frustrating times were? how well did the hooker headers fit?

cheers, claude
I would say fitting the rack and pinion and steering shaft.
The rack had to be relocated lower and slightly off to one side.
The steering column also had to be angled towards the frame. The headers fit ok, I got them used from Feetfirst, the #8 tube was already flattened at the first bend so it wouldn't hit the frame, #6 and #7 had to be reshaped to so the steering shaft would pass through them without hitting.
I'm also using a UPR K-member which helps for getting the headers in and out. To make the engine fit under the hood I only have approximately 1/8" of space between oil pan and K-member and also there's 1-1/2" spacers between the K-member and frame. You'll also have to use the extreme bump steer kit if you drop the rack lower.
All I can tell you is that you need a lot of patience if you do this, and be expected to pull the motor in and out of the car a lot! LOL
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,642 Posts
Very nice car and runs good too,did Hugo tell you to run the 3.27 gears i think that's what he had in his yellow Mustang that ran low 9's.I really like his new car also and i see he ran 8.80's with it after only 2 times to the track.

Later Mark.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,329 Posts
Mark, the 3.27 gears are out of the yellow mustang...;)

Lance, I'm grateful for the kind words, but the best moment for me was seeing your first full pass when 129 mph popped up on the boards.

I then knew you had gotten more than you need..:)......and more than you planned on...

As you guys probably know, the motor is making in the neighbourhood of 575 hp at 2950DA, which corrected, would be over 600 hp.
The car, with some more gear, and some 60 ft work, is definatley capable of 10.30's, and possibly 10.1x's in some good air.

The best part is, you have to see this car for real.......its a pure "sleeper", factory hood and all.

Now comes the hard part of slowing it down for 10.90 class.......it may be easier to tune it up for 9.90's......:D:D:D
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,642 Posts
Hugo it looks like the 3.27 gears found a good home,i always did like the Fairmont Futura's ever since Bob Glidden ran them.I would be happy if my junk would run 10.80's,maybe someday only had it to the track 2 times.

Later Mark.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,317 Posts
Nice build:

514- 4.440bore x 4.150stroke
Scat Rotating assembly, 6.700 I-Beam rod, JE SRP 28cc inverted dome pistons.
Cam- Re-incarnation custom XR292 Solid Roller 250/[email protected] .662/.686 - I set it up at 6 deg retarded to keep the torque down at lower rpm.



I wonder what that cost you for power? Noticed you're shifting at 5,500 ?????

Your combo would be interesting to see on the dyno and then with a 1,050 on it ??

Did you run your combo on an engine build program ?

G-

Jon
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
17 Posts
Discussion Starter #11
Nice build:

514- 4.440bore x 4.150stroke
Scat Rotating assembly, 6.700 I-Beam rod, JE SRP 28cc inverted dome pistons.
Cam- Re-incarnation custom XR292 Solid Roller 250/[email protected] .662/.686 - I set it up at 6 deg retarded to keep the torque down at lower rpm.



I wonder what that cost you for power? Noticed you're shifting at 5,500 ?????

Your combo would be interesting to see on the dyno and then with a 1,050 on it ??

Did you run your combo on an engine build program ?

G-

Jon
I set it up at 6 deg retarded to keep the torque down at lower rpm. I miss typed this, what I meant was move the power curve upwards so I had less torque when launching the car because of the small tires I'm using.
I did use Desktop Dyno5, with the cam retarded 6 deg it's telling me the engine peak's from 5000 to 5500 and then falls off.
The hp stays at 548 between these two points. Torque peaks at 4000 with 602ft lbs.
The power falls off early because I think the heads just don't flow enough for the cubes.
Now if I put the cam straight up the hp peaks at 5000 and falls off, hp was 549. Peak torque is 625 at 4000.
I played with the flow numbers of the heads and it didn't seem to make much of a difference until I changed the intake manifold and that made a huge difference.
I used the standard flow single plane as I figured a high flow intake would be more like a victor. The problem is the program doesn't give examples of what a standard flow intake is. But when I change the intake to a high flow and keeping the 850carb, hp jumps to 600 at 5500rpm.
I had my doubts about the program, but I have to say it comes out really close to what the car is running.:)
Hopefully I'll get a chance to take the car to the dyno in the fall and see what it can put down, if I do I will post the #'s here.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
35 Posts
514 build

Link I ran your mph and weight numbers and I show your are making 638 hp to go 129.01 mph at that weight
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
17 Posts
Discussion Starter #14 (Edited)
Well I finally got the car to the chassis dyno.
Temp 91F
29.28 in-Hg
16% Humidity
Sunoco 94 octane
3" race mufflers off the headers

Seems 31 deg timing is max.
468hp @ 5700
438tq @ 5200

32 deg timing made:
465hp @ 5700
442tq @ 5200

One thing I did find is the tach is way off.
The tach reads 5300 and the engine is actually turning 5700rpm.
I'm very happy for the way this motor turned out!:D
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
17 Posts
Discussion Starter #15
Here's another video and this video was taken before going to the dyno.
I changed my exhaust system to a 2-1/2" with a X-pipe
and full size mufflers to try and slow the car down so I could run our 10.90 index. Even with the smaller exhaust and only 20 degrees of total timing the car still ran 10.80's.
In the video I cranked up the timing to 27 degrees total and the car ran a 10.49 @ 128mph. Mind you too that the air was pretty good that day.
Now that I know the tach is out, the engine was turning 6200-6300 through the traps on this run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lui35ayRBg

Lance
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
17 Posts
Discussion Starter #17
I took out the passenger seat, back seat and heating system.
The passenger seat is going back in. I did add 2 X 25lbs plates in the trunk which put the car up to 3215lbs, I was trying to slow the car down but it really didn't do anything except maybe help traction.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,317 Posts
congrats on your success!.....makes me want to work on my zeph some more. what did it take to get the 275 50 15s under the rear quarters? thanks bobn
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
17 Posts
Discussion Starter #19
I just had to trim the lip of the fender and they didn't have any problem fitting. I also run 26 X 10 slicks which are a little tighter in the wheel well. Their on 10" wide welds and have a back spacing of 6.5" and then I also run a 1/4" spacer with them. The 275/50 are on 8" wide welds but I don't know the back spacing as their still on the car.
Hope that helps you out.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5 Posts
hi there congrats on your combo im new to the 460 big block i've always bean a small block guy but i recently purchased a fox body 460 car the motor is a 30 over 460 with forged flat tops the heads are stock don't know what they are the markings are DIF j2 are the markigs im reduing the mortor do to a melted piston in the drivers side back cilinder not sure what build to do car is a street car with some track time the car went 11.70 @112mph on motor and [email protected] on 150 shot car has 373 gears and a c6 trans i would like to do the same build as you wondering if you could help along the way my email is [email protected] perhaps we could exchange #s thanks doug from sudbary canada
 
1 - 20 of 22 Posts
Top