okay, I actually shot it for Emma. We are allowed 1 cull buck and one 'good' buck. At one time I had this guy, and a 6 pointer, and an 8 pointer and a 10 pointer within 100 yards of me. The 10 was an okay deer, but only about 14" wide. I am hoping for about 17" wide. At least I got a little meat in the cooler, even though it was a small bodied deer. Looks like my dog CJ was hungry or curious?