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I've been looking for an engine for my 1953 F100 for a while, I still have the running original in it, but I may sell it or keep it for nostalgia. I bought 1986 302 EFI that was running when pulled for $365 CAD on a stand with a chain on the advice of my mechanic/friend. I really didn't want a 302 for my first project and this truck but my mechanic convinced me it would be a cheaper and decent build. Turns out, my step dad has some engines laying around his garage... he has a 5.0 EFI, a 351M/400 and another what appears to be 351. My heart tells me I want a 460 and I found one about an hour from here in an 87-90 Coachmen RV. The guy will sell me the whole running RV for $800 CAD and I can take the engine out. Does anyone know what tranny and rear end was in this vehicle and if they have any value for use or sale? How do I know this is a 460 and is there any value in the 4 engines I have laying around?
 

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Class A Motorhome 88-90 Ford F53 chassis would be 460 EFI with E4OD. Probably a Dana 80 rear end with 5:13. 10 bolt hub center w/disc brake
Class A motorhome 87-90 Oshkosh chassis would be 460 carb with C6. Probably a 4.11 rear end.

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Class A Motorhome 88-90 Ford F53 chassis would be 460 EFI with E4OD. Probably a Dana 80 rear end with 5:13. 10 bolt hub center w/disc brake
Class A motorhome 87-90 Oshkosh chassis would be 460 carb with C6. Probably a 4.11 rear end.

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[/QUOTEWow, fast response... thanks a lot Richard!! I think I’m gonna like this forum. It’s definitely the carbureted engine.
 

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A 460 in there would be very cool. I think with the style of your truck (very sweet by the way), I'd want to keep it old school and carbureted, but that's just a personal choice. Avoid doing the 351/400M, they're fine but limited market especially for performance, and resale if you ever do go to sell it is going to be much less. They were mid 70s smog engines. The other 351 your step dad has, if it's a Cleveland, would be cool, too, and there's plenty of performance options for that engine along with the 460. Easiest way to tell a Cleveland from the 351/400M is that they will both have 8 bolt valve covers, but the Cleveland has a small block bellhousing pattern for the trans. 351/400 will have the same bellhousing pattern as a 429/460. If the 351 is a Windsor, easiest way to tell that is the valve covers will have 6 bolt valve covers and the thermostat housing goes in the intake manifold (351C or 351/400M have dry intakes, t-stat goes into the block). A Windsor will be the cheapest to build and they make good power, but they're kinda like a SBC. Everybody has one. Again, just my opinion.
 

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Nice truck you have there. If you plan on driving it a lot I'd stick with the 302 with a AOD behind it. If it's just a play vehicle for 2-3 months out of the year then a healthy 460 would fit the bill, just be prepared to fill the tank twice as often as the small block.
 

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Nice truck you have there. If you plan on driving it a lot I'd stick with the 302 with a AOD behind it. If it's just a play vehicle for 2-3 months out of the year then a healthy 460 would fit the bill, just be prepared to fill the tank twice as often as the small block.
Nice truck you have there. If you plan on driving it a lot I'd stick with the 302 with a AOD behind it. If it's just a play vehicle for 2-3 months out of the year then a healthy 460 would fit the bill, just be prepared to fill the tank twice as often as the small block.
Thanks for the response... gas is definitely a major consideration. The truck will not be a daily driver however it will be driven a lot or as much as our Canadian summers will allow. I'm leaning towards the 460 for the wow factor. I love the 302, but there are a lot out there.
 

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A 460 in there would be very cool. I think with the style of your truck (very sweet by the way), I'd want to keep it old school and carbureted, but that's just a personal choice. Avoid doing the 351/400M, they're fine but limited market especially for performance, and resale if you ever do go to sell it is going to be much less. They were mid 70s smog engines. The other 351 your step dad has, if it's a Cleveland, would be cool, too, and there's plenty of performance options for that engine along with the 460. Easiest way to tell a Cleveland from the 351/400M is that they will both have 8 bolt valve covers, but the Cleveland has a small block bellhousing pattern for the trans. 351/400 will have the same bellhousing pattern as a 429/460. If the 351 is a Windsor, easiest way to tell that is the valve covers will have 6 bolt valve covers and the thermostat housing goes in the intake manifold (351C or 351/400M have dry intakes, t-stat goes into the block). A Windsor will be the cheapest to build and they make good power, but they're kinda like a SBC. Everybody has one. Again, just my opinion.
Thanks, I agree the 460 would be cool. I'll probably sell off those other engines to try and get some money to start the 460 build. I've added some pics to show the work I have done to the truck. I've added a Mustang II IFS with air bags, power steering and brakes, and some new rims. Gonna do the rear end next, convert to 12V and then the engine. I am keeping the 239 flat-head in it for now, will hate selling that engine, but I may have to instead of keeping something I'll never use.
 

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Here's an option that few have thought about. How about a Lincoln 337 flathead (8EL) for that old truck. Or a 337 flathead 8EQ from a F7 or F8.
Would keep the flathead nostalgia and give you more go.
I had the privilege doing a rebuild on one many years ago. It had hydraulic lifters, go figure.
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Great idea. but I called the guy selling the 460 in the RV and he dropped the price to $700 for the whole RV. Bylaw said he needs to move it so I'm hoping to drive it home this weekend. I'll try to sell some stuff off the RV to make some money back such as the rims, generator, propane tank, rad etc. So,,, I'll have a running 302 and a running 460 with tranny to decide between and I will probably choose the 460. I did some research on the 337 and it seems like a pretty underappreciated engine... it would definitely fit my project well being a flat-head with decent power, thanks for the suggestion!
 

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So I'm all in on the 460... I am picking it up this weekend. I could be the luckiest guy in ford land right now... my mechanic/friend texted me to bring $800 CAD roughly $600 USD to the shop. When I got there, there was a brand new pair of AFR Aluminum Heads for a big block Ford 385 series... I think he said they were 315CC/75CC. Turns out a guy called him today talking about his Mustang project that he gave up on and that he now had these aluminum heads to get rid of, my buddy jumped on it and they decided on the price. Then the guy says he was working on a Ford 427 High Riser... and my friend asks what his plans are for the block, the guy wanted to get rid of it, so he just gave it to us hahahaha. Said it was coated in WD40 in a bag in his garage. Not sure what I'm gonna do with it but what a score... this stuff never happens. When I get the block, I'll post some pics.
 

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So I'm all in on the 460... I am picking it up this weekend. I could be the luckiest guy in ford land right now... my mechanic/friend texted me to bring $800 CAD roughly $600 USD to the shop. When I got there, there was a brand new pair of AFR Aluminum Heads for a big block Ford 385 series... I think he said they were 315CC/75CC. Turns out a guy called him today talking about his Mustang project that he gave up on and that he now had these aluminum heads to get rid of, my buddy jumped on it and they decided on the price. Then the guy says he was working on a Ford 427 High Riser... and my friend asks what his plans are for the block, the guy wanted to get rid of it, so he just gave it to us hahahaha. Said it was coated in WD40 in a bag in his garage. Not sure what I'm gonna do with it but what a score... this stuff never happens. When I get the block, I'll post some pics.

The casting pictured appears to be a procomp / speedmaster.
Is there a engraved serial number running along the valve cover rail near the center?



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So I'm all in on the 460... I am picking it up this weekend. I could be the luckiest guy in ford land right now... my mechanic/friend texted me to bring $800 CAD roughly $600 USD to the shop. When I got there, there was a brand new pair of AFR Aluminum Heads for a big block Ford 385 series... I think he said they were 315CC/75CC. Turns out a guy called him today talking about his Mustang project that he gave up on and that he now had these aluminum heads to get rid of, my buddy jumped on it and they decided on the price. Then the guy says he was working on a Ford 427 High Riser... and my friend asks what his plans are for the block, the guy wanted to get rid of it, so he just gave it to us hahahaha. Said it was coated in WD40 in a bag in his garage. Not sure what I'm gonna do with it but what a score... this stuff never happens. When I get the block, I'll post some pics.
The casting pictured appears to be a procomp / speedmaster.
Is there a engraved serial number running along the valve cover rail near the center?



SJ
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After some research I noticed afr heads had an engraved logo on the side so I’m now wondering what brand they are. Also my buddy remembers them being 310cc and afr heads come in 315cc. I’ll figure it out lol... thanks for the insight!
 

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The casting pictured appears to be a procomp / speedmaster.
Is there a engraved serial number running along the valve cover rail near the center?



SJ
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So I'm all in on the 460... I am picking it up this weekend. I could be the luckiest guy in ford land right now... my mechanic/friend texted me to bring $800 CAD roughly $600 USD to the shop. When I got there, there was a brand new pair of AFR Aluminum Heads for a big block Ford 385 series... I think he said they were 315CC/75CC. Turns out a guy called him today talking about his Mustang project that he gave up on and that he now had these aluminum heads to get rid of, my buddy jumped on it and they decided on the price. Then the guy says he was working on a Ford 427 High Riser... and my friend asks what his plans are for the block, the guy wanted to get rid of it, so he just gave it to us hahahaha. Said it was coated in WD40 in a bag in his garage. Not sure what I'm gonna do with it but what a score... this stuff never happens. When I get the block, I'll post some pics.
Wow... great eye SJ... I looked at some pics and they do look like the procomp speedmaster heads you mentioned. Disappointing, but still a score at $600 USD, I hope. Are these terrible heads and not worth using. I am not building a race engine or trying to break horsepower records and hope these heads will suffice. There is a stamped # where you said that reads...14205-2014-11-24-0149
Thanks again!
 

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Wow... great eye SJ... I looked at some pics and they do look like the procomp speedmaster heads you mentioned. Disappointing, but still a score at $600 USD, I hope. Are these terrible heads and not worth using. I am not building a race engine or trying to break horsepower records and hope these heads will suffice. There is a stamped # where you said that reads...14205-2014-11-24-0149
Thanks again!
I'm hoping these Procomp castings are decent, and I can just add high quality parts to them to suit my needs. I am putting my 460 engine in a 1953 f100 so I'll probably never get traction anyway. I'm not racing my truck, or even doing the 1/4 mile... I would like to have 500+ horsepower eventually if possible, but I don't care how much HP after that. If these heads with the right set up can do that, I'll be super happy. I would not need to swap these for better ones so I could get 600 HP. I want to use pump gas and just cruise around with that big block rumble. A question about the procomps... how do I know the CC's, I saw 275/95 on this site and 300/98 on this site. Are there different versions for the 460??
Thanks for the knowledge!
 

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I'm sure you've seen the sticky at the top of this forum, but if not: ProComp BBF flow numbers large valve too...

Scotty and guys like Carl build them to be good. 500 hp will be cake with them, but don't trust the parts and assembly "from the factory" on them.
Thanks... I ended up reading the copious amounts of threads on this popular topic and with your advice I’m probably gonna keep the procomps and replace the parts and assembly.
 

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My 429 block is in getting machined... I'm going to bore .030 and use either a 4.150 or a 4.300 crank. Any suggestions as to which crank would be better? From the reading I've done a 4.300 crank 521ci seems to be a popular build. I'm leaning that way over the 4.150 crank 502ci build. Suggestions and reasons for choosing one crank over the other would be very helpful on my first build.
 
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