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I'm still undecided on what to do. Crate engines are so expensive, I'm having a little trouble pulling the trigger (since I overspent on the car). At the same time, I want to do things right considering my time involved.

Does Phoenix Engines have a good reputation on big block Fords? The seem to offer a lot of different 460 combos. Ford Engines - Ford 460 Turnkey Engines

I was told to check here for headers: (Ford Powertrain Applications) So, I have emailed them.

It's not like I'm going to race the car...but I'd like it to make decent power...say 400+. I actually haven't checked with any local builders, but I guess that's also an option. The old engine had good oil pressure and compression. I don't have the time at the moment to do a teardown and rebuilt of it myself. Still undecided on the transmission also. I haven't picked that or the converter out yet.

I've also decided not to run a heater or A/C as this won't be driven often. Wonder how much work to remove those boxes? Would really clean up the engine bay.

My hope is to have the engine and possibly the trans out this weekend. I'm pulling them separate...just seems a little safer/easier when doing as a one person job.

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Remember with no heat/ac you have no defrost for those humid nights when the windshield likes to fog up, just my $.02
 

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Remember with no heat/ac you have no defrost for those humid nights when the windshield likes to fog up, just my $.02
Yep...I've driven a car without a heater up north during winter...that was insane... lol but, I will only drive this thing on nice days and I want to keep the engine bay super clean, so I'm not super concerned. I can always get a cigarette lighter defroster for emergencies. I know they suck, but just in case...
 

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OK...I'm thinking more of just rebuilding this engine to save money. Does anyone know a good head/piston/cam combo for this 429? Stroking it is another option that would probably add another $1500 at least...I'm not building a race car, so not required.

I'm hoping the performer intake will fit under the hood. I'm guessing it will...but will be a little close.

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An RPM will fit under the hood as well with a drop base air cleaner.

For up to 1 hp per inch the performer is fine and even better with a jomar power cone.

I have a 1973 LTD running about 460 SAE NET HP at the rear wheels.

A 460 hp 460 inch combo is pretty straight forward and cost effective.



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Don't bother building a 429. Source a 460 crank for more torque and hp per $$$ spent.










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realistically you need about $8-10k to source a 450+ hp engine, trans, and all the other stuff to make it work. If this is beyond what you want to spend, lower your hp goal and use what you have.
 
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Yea, I think at this point I'm just looking for 429 piston/heads/cam recommendations. Will have a machine shop prep the block and polish the crank, etc..

On the stand ready to disassembly.

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Are you going to bore the block? If you are really pinching pennies and the bores look OK you could just replace the wear items (rings, bearings cam etc.) and keep it a 429.

If you will need to bore the block then find a 460 crank as you will be buying pistons anyway and the cost is the same..
 

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realistically you need about $8-10k to source a 450+ hp engine, trans, and all the other stuff to make it work. If this is beyond what you want to spend, lower your hp goal and use what you have.
HI, Not really.. I had a 77 460 truck block , put in Flat top pistons, straight up timing set "0" ,Home ported the exhaust ports thermo hump out, performer intake , 750 carb and 1 1/2" long tube headers and was pushing very close to 500 TQ, HP.
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Are you going to bore the block? If you are really pinching pennies and the bores look OK you could just replace the wear items (rings, bearings cam etc.) and keep it a 429.

If you will need to bore the block then find a 460 crank as you will be buying pistons anyway and the cost is the same..
Good point...but I don't have a 460 crank on hand. If I could find one in great shape for nearly free, then it would definitely make sense. If you know where I can source one.

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I would check with machine shops in your area for a 460 crank that they may have laying around from another customer. One that didn't come back to pickup or sold the project, etc, etc.
 

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I would check with machine shops in your area for a 460 crank that they may have laying around from another customer. One that didn't come back to pickup or sold the project, etc, etc.
Yea, I did see some on eBay. This guy sells machined ones for $485 shipped:


Machine shops in my area don't seem super helpful. The local guy in my town says he backed up 5 months.

Also, some different heads on eBay...




Not sure if I should trust no-name heads? I read quite a few bad reviews of the Edelbrocks.. New Trick Flow heads on eBay - not available currently elsewhere.
 

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Procomp heads for the BBF are fine if assembled with quality parts, proper machine work and a hand blended bowl.
They are NOT TFS copies but rather a decent D3 upgrade.

Edelbrock heads are too damned expensive for the mediocre performance they offer.

That being said that heads that you find with that ebay seller have large valves installed on the 2 angle small valve seats as they come from procomp. They do not flow worth a S#%$.

In addition to offering "Corrected" pro comp heads to our clients I've un buggered many sets of heads purchased from that particular ebay seller as well as his long blocks.








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Or maybe a used short block just to get the crank. Or keep moving forward and just leave the pistons/crank up in the air for now and keep looking. You're in the Phoenix area? If so Tucson or even Vegas might be worth the drive especially for a good machine shop.
 

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Why drive? There are several good machine shops here in the Phoenix area.
But are they available when he needs them or sometime in the near future. Personally if a shop does nothing but Brand X or Z and has no idea what a Ford looks like, I go somewhere else.
 

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Why drive? There are several good machine shops here in the Phoenix area.
Can you list some? I asked this before my build in late 2018 and didn't get an answer. The one I used in Glendale was so-so, but is a long drive from chandler.
 

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I'm not in Phoenix. St. louis area. Local machine shop told me he's 5 months out. Another guy sounded more reasonable..A bit further drive, so I may go there. And/or see what the mad porter can do for me.
 
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