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How do you race your car.

Dial soft ?

Run the number ?

Blip the top end ?

Stage first or second ?

What engine temp temp do you run your best at ?

2 hits at the bulbs ?

Practice tree at home ?

In general what makes you successfull at driving ?

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stage last, one hit, usually hold a hundredth or two, I have a good brake set up and drive the stripe pretty good so this works for me. I have a tree, use it every so oftem. Stage at about 170 water temp.
 

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From my GARAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No really, I try and keep the temps consistent all throughout the day, 180 or less. I always like to stage last, and I'll usually dial a little on the soft side. I like to run it out the back door.

I have tried to play the top end games but haven't been any good at it. partly because I always had the slower car......

Also, I'd rather chase than be chased.....

Me and my Dad used to race about twice a month about 10 years ago. We didn't have a logbook. Looking back on it now, if we did we would've been more successful. We used to just go by time of day, armpit temps, hot lapped or not, etc... for dialing in for the next round.
 

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Let's see......

Dial-in /run the number.. Hard ,car is usually dialed-in within .01.
Blip the gas / on the brake.. Only after I see the other cars nose drop., or if I see I can't catch him. (98% of the time, I leave last).
Staging... depends on what they do...doesn't matter to me. Alot of guys like to stage first to put pressure on a piperack driver, so I'm use to staging last.
Usually only 1 hit on the tree..( with CrossTalk ) At a 1/4 mile race, I might take 2 hits
Engine temp between 160 and 170
 

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Dial - Usually on or 0.01 slower than I think it will run. Try to run the number

Never lift top end unless they are waay behind. Drag the brake with the gas mashed. I figure if the dial is right, and I trust anything to slow it will keep me from breaking out.

Stage second. Give the guy time to screw-up. They could get on the converter before I fully stage (I count 5 before I stage in that case), or they could double-bulb courtesy staging and get pushed back. (hey - we are racing)

Temp depends but usually water 180°F, trans 170°F or so. I also look for consistent oil pressure at 1500 rpm (ie oil temperature).

Log book, Time burnout with a count-down for consistency, use consistent rpm for burnouts.

Slow up on the tree at dusk and after dark. I can compensate by dropping pressure in my skinnies.

Traction does weird things after dark, so know your car (Log book).

One other thing. When both cars are staged, pick a reference point on the other car. That way at the big end of the track if you are door handle to door handle, use the refernce point to see if you are actually ahead or behind.

Pay attention how quickly you or your oppenent get close. If you are dialed 0.02 faster than your opponent and you catch him at the 60 ft mark, in all likeleyhood you treed him and better let him take the stripe (not by much - see reference point) otherwise your glorious holeshot will go down in the flames of a break-out.
 

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UMMM..

If I catch my oppenent by 100 ft, and I didn't relight, I'm not about to let HIM take the stripe..

If you KNOW your car and dialed it right.. He screwed up on the tree and no way I'm gonna let him back around me for him to take the win..
 

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I always try to stage last. It doesn't bother me if I don't though.

I have no advice to offer other than this.

why would anyone waste a perfectly good race car on bracket racing?

you can put a delay box and transbrake in a 20 second turd and do the same thing.


Why not run a pro tree class? if not heads up then, at least index, you may STILL have a break out etc.. but at least it is more fun when you leave together.

I've heard all the arguments about it, it's nothing but dial in racing, you still have a break out yadda yadda..

you know it aint the same. try it if you don't believe me.

bracket racing is a dying form of racing and it's boring as hell no spectators. blah.
 
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why would anyone waste a perfectly good race car on bracket racing
because around here its wear your shyt out or blow it up to win 200 bucks, or have a good time and win 700, I'll take the 700. It takes a bit more skill to be a competative bracket racer than a number chaser, this is not meant as a slam, just the way I see it. Also word is from a guy that is around and works on about nothing other than the ultra quick heads up stuff stated that ex bracket racers make better drivers overall. Its boring to watch, I dont watch. The .90 classes with the t stops are the worst to spectate, but again the skill comes into play. To me watching some fool scrape the bumper, wreck the front end, hit the wall yadda yadda is a waste. We all have our thing.
 

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i race at heads up style legal street races only usually track has these about twice a month gates open at 5 then at 10 they take tree away and use flash lights every pass we make is a minimum bet of 500 to a grand realy sucks if you have a bad night but i dont see any fun in brackets
 
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Dial soft ? No- I have confidence in my car especially since I switched to alky.

Run the number ? Yes-car is consistant

Blip the top end ? Sometimes but I don't get on the brakes hard. That's dangerous.

Stage first or second ? Don't care

What engine temp temp do you run your best at ? 150

2 hits at the bulbs ? No-just 1

Practice tree at home ? Yes - don't use it on a regular basis.

In general what makes you successfull at driving ? Getting lucky- I don't care how good a car you have or how good a driver you are, if you don't have luck, you aint going to win.

Now as far as bracket vs heads up vs index racing. First off I can't afford heads up-no breakout racing. There will always be someone who can throw more $$ at it than I can.

Index racing - I raced NHRA Super Gas & had a blast. I love a Pro tree. It basically is bracket racing but I found 2 things that make it a little bit harder. First is cutting a good light on a .4 pro tree. You have to have a damn good chassis set up. Second is playing the top end. In bracket racing you know if you will be chased or if you sre the chaser. In SG I would run 147 mph. The other cars I ran could be from 135 -170 mph. Plus you don't know if they have the throttle stop on early, or mid rack or top end.Makes judging the stripe a little harder.

Bracket racing - Best bang for your buck. Stay close to home,usually home the same night & I enjoy it just as much as index racing. Plus I am not slowing my car down.
So I would love to run heads up & I enjoy both index & bracket racing.So I guess different strokes for different folks... :D
 

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Now as far as bracket vs heads up vs index racing. First off I can't afford heads up-no breakout racing. There will always be someone who can throw more $$ at it than I can.
You're right for the most part, BUT that is also true with bracket racing to a lesser degree. Ever enter a race where the Richardson's are entered? Like in Memphis at a 3 day $25K event? they are Pro's they enter 3-4 times with 2-3 cars and usually win at least one day if not two. Are they good? YES does money help? umm YES.

Plus there are venues of heads up with rules that allow you to run without breaking the bank.





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why would anyone waste a perfectly good race car on bracket racing
because around here its wear your shyt out or blow it up to win 200 bucks, or have a good time and win 700, I'll take the 700. It takes a bit more skill to be a competative bracket racer than a number chaser, this is not meant as a slam, just the way I see it. Also word is from a guy that is around and works on about nothing other than the ultra quick heads up stuff stated that ex bracket racers make better drivers overall. Its boring to watch, I dont watch. The .90 classes with the t stops are the worst to spectate, but again the skill comes into play. To me watching some fool scrape the bumper, wreck the front end, hit the wall yadda yadda is a waste. We all have our thing.
actually they pay about the same around here.

I've done both so the "skill" argument ain't a good one.
You still have to cut a good light and know where your car runs, play finish line games, not break out. keep an eye on the lanes, watch the weather, temp .etc.. etc. so on and so forth.

also you dont have to scrap the bumper or wreck to race heads up or index racing. I guess it depends on who it is racing and the luck they are having that day. I had a wreck in 02 in a time trial, for bracket racing.
Ran into another guy's oil on the big end.
If you race long enough and often enough, you will too.

I am sure bracket racers are great drivers. As a rule. I also think that would come under broad sweeping statements. It would depend on what you measure "better" drivers as.

It's kind of like saying "truck drivers are the best over the road drivers"
while that may have some truth to it, it certainly doesn't mean they all are. There are some really good heads up drivers and index/class racers too. I would imagine your BEST drivers have dabbled in a little of all venues? possibly? :idea:

yes we all have our thing, brackets are better than staying home that is for sure. I sorta figured it might get someone stirred up, sorry. I didnt really mean to say "waste"..poor choice of words.

maybe it's just me but after 22 years of bracket racing and 4-5 years of index and heads up racing mixed in there with it.... I know which one I like better.

Try it maybe if we get more people interested the payouts will go up in your neighborhood.

Payouts are nice but we all know we don't race for the money.

its for the badonkadonk! :p
 
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sorry for the rant, fact is in Ok the tracks would all fold up if they relied only on the heads up crowd. They have a shootout race once a month along with the highschool deal and the carcount is lousy. They will have a big deal headsup race from an out of town sanctioning body and the numbers are good, but over half the cars show up for the bracket classes they run along with it. We won a sp race at one of those a couple years back and took home as much money as the big dog H.U. guy did and spent 150 bucks on fuel and entry and broke nothing in the process. Fact is around here the H.U. sucks, If it paid better and had more of it we might consider it, but for now this is the game. We have 2 tracks 45 min from here and there is a race every weekend for 10 months out of the year so we dont travel out of town. I used to hate everything about the bracket scene years back, but got tired of kicking the rods out our junk trying to win 200 bucks, was ridiculous. The local bracket guys keep the gates open, proven fact. It may not draw the spectators, but I dont do it for them. A 9 sec bracket car is way more fun than a turd toyota anyday.
 

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Dial soft ? No- I have confidence in my car especially since I switched to alky.

Run the number ? Yes-car is consistant

Blip the top end ? Sometimes but I don't get on the brakes hard. That's dangerous.

Stage first or second ? Don't care

What engine temp temp do you run your best at ? 150

2 hits at the bulbs ? No-just 1

Practice tree at home ? Yes - don't use it on a regular basis.

In general what makes you successfull at driving ? Getting lucky- I don't care how good a car you have or how good a driver you are, if you don't have luck, you aint going to win.

Now as far as bracket vs heads up vs index racing. First off I can't afford heads up-no breakout racing. There will always be someone who can throw more $$ at it than I can.

Index racing - I raced NHRA Super Gas & had a blast. I love a Pro tree. It basically is bracket racing but I found 2 things that make it a little bit harder. First is cutting a good light on a .4 pro tree. You have to have a damn good chassis set up. Second is playing the top end. In bracket racing you know if you will be chased or if you sre the chaser. In SG I would run 147 mph. The other cars I ran could be from 135 -170 mph. Plus you don't know if they have the throttle stop on early, or mid rack or top end.Makes judging the stripe a little harder.

Bracket racing - Best bang for your buck. Stay close to home,usually home the same night & I enjoy it just as much as index racing. Plus I am not slowing my car down.
So I would love to run heads up & I enjoy both index & bracket racing.So I guess different strokes for different folks... :D


uhhh .......... i was gonna type a responce.. but i guess i have a TWIN somewhere over the internet.. cause i couldnt have said all that better myself. .............. and pretty much every single thing you said applies to me..
 

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Get used to your car,know weather changes,know the track,make yourself and your car as consistant as possible by doing everything the same every pass, in time trials and eliminations. Try to leave very close to the same temp. every run. I don't worry who stages first or last,I run footbrake class and usually spotting my comp. Concentrate on your light only. My car usually runs within .001 or.002 so i dial and usually run the #.If i cut a good light i will catch him or her before the trapps so i can lift and not have to worry about breaking out. If it wasn't for us bracket racers,there wouldnt be any money to pay or crowd to watch the heads up cars.
 

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Around here it's just the opposite of what richter69 said. At the old Savannah Dragway when it was open, the Saturday night bracket racing always had a low spectator count. The only time it was higher if they had a special event like the 10.5 Outlaws or Pro Mods. Test & Tune, Grudge night was a different story most of the time a very good spectator turnout.

Now at the new track we have, Savannah River Dragway (Outlaw Track), it's all heads up, grudge racing. They did do some index racing but the particpation was low, anyway the spectators were there for the heads up stuff. The owner is paying out $1000 to the winner of the grudge racing and at special event he pays out as much as $2500. For the track record he started out with $500 to the record holder, if it wasn't broken he would increased it by $250 every week. When he would hold two big events at the same time (also a dirt roundy round track there) the spectator count was bigger than anything I ever seen around here.
 

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How do you race your car.

Dial soft ? - No, dial tight and run the stripe hard. Log is that day's slips and maybe the day before, depending on the weather. Car does what it does on that day - you have to put up with that when you're low compression on gas.

Run the number ? - better around here. We run Dialing for Dollars just before elims, we typically have 10~20 dead on with a .00X.

Blip the top end ? NEVER, foot flat on the floor, if you think you have it ride the brake a hair. Never blip or lift on a fast car in the other lane, especially a dragster or bike.

Stage first or second ? Don't care, usually first because I like to bump.

What engine temp temp do you run your best at ? 200F day and night.

2 hits at the bulbs ? Footbrake

Practice tree at home ? Nope

In general what makes you successfull at driving ? Lotsa rounds and lotsa luck. Better to be lucky than good in this business LOL. Wife and I race together, so we are a team that can fuss over each other's dial and strategy. Show up ready to run, never mess with the cars at the track. Make sure all the "incidentals" are good to go - plenty of gas, air in the tires, lots of ice, drinks and snacks in the cooler, comfy chairs. Unload the car, drive around and say Hey to everybody while warming it up, park and visit. Go say howdy to the track op and various track personnel. We need 'em, they could be somewhere else and probably get paid more. Make a mental note that I'm here to have FUN and I'm not Scotty Richardson so I can't make a living at this. When I finally get back to the cars, look under - if there are no giant puddles, we're ready to race. I don't worry about the purse, I just want to go another round. I like to be ready to go when called, like to be up front in the lanes. I don't like to be in the back. Let's go, get on with it. If I win, I start planning the next round. If I lose, I go offer congrats to the other driver, load the car and enjoy the rest of the day and cheer on friends.
 

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Brad, are we brothers by different mothers??? :lol:
guess our dad got around... the milk man maybe?



the only difference is that this season we wont be on alky.. i sold that car and am in a temporary car until my doorslammer is finished..

we've run the 6.0 index and bracket raced.. usually dialed in 6.0something.. thats just what the car ran.. never slowed it down .....

also if your having to drag the breaks hard at the other end then your not dialing in right..
i like to run it out all the time.. and on a close race i will not blip.. i've done that before and got edged out at the finish line... man i hate that..
 
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Truth be known the either car can be put back to a street deal real easy, the reason I built the 69 like I did and not gut it. If they ever get a decent program around here we might do somthing, but for now the bracket scene is more appealing. I try not to bomb the brakes that often, somtimes I have been known to roll smoke off the skinnys in the fox car...... :shock:

Agreed luck has most to do with it, some nights I win one class and go damn near all the way in the other, other times I can't get past 1st round in either, when its your night its your night.
 

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I usually stage first. No need to get inside anybody's head but mine. I figure if I have a little more time to settle and concentrate, I'm better off. Besides, if I do my stuff right, there's nothing he can do to beat me.

I cross over on the tree when I can. Any time there's a slower car in the other lane, I leave off his top bulb (electronics classes, obviously). I seem to have a much better holeshot record when I use his bulb.

I have a BIG parabolic mirror in the car, because visibility sucks when you're wearing a full face helmet and neck collar, strapped into an early Ranger. It also helps to keep my eyes forward, because the truck likes to get loose in high gear without warning. For that reason alone, I like to keep my eyes on the groove as much as possible.

And after losing many final rounds to piperacks (I can't hear 'em coming like I can hear a fast door car coming.), I have one golden rule: NEVER DUMP A DRAGSTER. Those .002 sec. losses really hurt.
 
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