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Well, then the pecking order is upside down then. The Port-O-Sonic will make the best torque out of all the production headed single plane manifolds listed. I feel that is more important down low than HP, while still makeing good street/strip power
The intake that is better for bottom end is at the bottom of the individual list. That is the relation that I explained. Higher end intakes are at the higher end of their lists......
 

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I understand that randy, again though, this is to get the average person into the ballpark for their intended usage. If it is for a vehicle that will see low rpm usage, it should be clear from the list and my description of the list that it is not effective for a single plane or tunnel intake. and it goes both ways, same for a street/strip engine not working well with a cj or performer intake. No person in their right mind should think that the tunnel is good for driving to work, the store, then back home, every day with stock heads, cam, and exhaust. No single manifold is pointed out as the best for any specific situation.
There are a lot of people not "in their right mind" out there who have their own ideas, LOL.

There are TWO tunnel-ram, A 460 manifolds from TFS.

The Blue Thunder, dual-quad manifolds are "dual plane" and they are offered in both standard port size and CJ port size.

There is an FRPP Motorsport A460 manifold and 2 EX514 manifolds for the A460, too. All single planes.

There is a cast, 4 barrel , single plane FRPP Motorsport C460 manifold.

The single plane original Torquer is also missing ... it is not very good at WOT power or anything above 3,000 RPM and is best for gas milage and off idle part throttle driving.

I guess I shouldn't even mention the fairly rare cast manifolds which are out there.

Price Motorsports offeres seveal adapter plates to mount one family of manifolds to another family of cylinder heads.
 

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lol, randy, I wasn't in my right mind either. some would still say I'm not.

so I made the change with the blue thunder, but I had a heck of a time trying to find the other manifolds you mentioned. where can I go to find the prices and such on them? Thank you tons for the additions to the list, I'll get them on as soon as I get the info on them.
 

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Sorry, I was upside down on the Port-O-Sonic, it was most liked for HP, not torque. Here is some real test infomation, made on a dyno.

I've included this page unchanged for the original as a service to the BBF community and the page dropped of the web from its original URL. I don't endorse the results and it is not my intention to plagorize the work.





BBF Intake Shootout!
Well, gang, here is the *legal* version of the shootout. I am prevented from publishing actual dyno results, but I'm going to list the intakes in order of WORST to BEST for torque, horsepower, and editor's choice "Best All-Around" 385-series intake. I hope you enjoy the results and you can make use of them!!!

All dyno pulls were run on my C9VE 460 block, bored .030" over, with C8VE heads (same as D0OE) with 2.19/1.8 Ferrea SS valves, Harland Sharp 1.73 roller rockers, and a Lunati flat-tappet camshaft (relatively mild, 06166 grind, 218/218 dur. @ .050" and .527"/.527" lift). The carburetor is your typical Holley 3310 off-the-shelf with NO jet or spring changes. Exhaust consisted of CJ manifolds, from a Torino (D0 casting numbers). I felt this combination best epitomized the "warmed-over" street motor most of us build. Any variations from the basic combination are noted (such as carburetor, most notably). The dyno was a Go-Power measuring from 1500-5500 RPM in 100 RPM/sec increments, that's about all the numerical data that I can divulge.


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Best to Worst, for making TORQUE
Edelbrock SP2P [discontinued]
D2VE Stock
Offenhauser Dual-Port (Q-Jet, tested w/ TQ carburetor) [discontinued]
Weiand Stealth
C8SE Stock
Edelbrock Performer RPM
Offenhauser Dual-Port (Holley)
Edelbrock Performer/Edelbrock Streetmaster [discontinued] (TIE)
D1AE Police Interceptor (4300-D carburetor, 735-cfm)
D0AE Cobra Jet (Q-Jet, tested w/ TQ carburetor)
Blue Thunder Dual-Quad (tested w/ 2xEdelbrock 500-cfm)
Edelbrock Torker II
Edelbrock Victor 460
Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic


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Best to Worst, for making HP
Blue Thunder Dual-Quad (tested w/ 2xEdelbrock 500-cfm)
Edelbrock Victor 460
Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic
Edelbrock Torker II
Weiand Stealth
D0AE Cobra Jet (Q-Jet, tested w/ TQ carburetor) SURPRISE!
Edelbrock Performer RPM
D1AE Police Interceptor (4300-D carburetor, 735-cfm)
D2VE Stock
C8SE Stock
Edelbrock Streetmaster [discontinued]
Edelbrock Performer
Edelbrock SP2P [discontinued]
Offenhauser Dual-Port (Q-Jet, tested w/ TQ carburetor) [discontinued]
Offenhauser Dual-Port (Holley)


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Editor's Choice
for Looks: the Blue Thunder Dual-Quad, but $$$
for HP: Offy Port-O-Sonic, good results and will fit under most hoods
for TORQUE: Weiand Stealth (NO QUESTION...hint, hint)
Best All-Around: Weiand Stealth


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Well boys and girls, there it is in black-and-white w/ NO bribery or "urging" from advertisers. I'd like to thank those of you that let me borrow intakes for an EXTENDED period of time, my engine builder who donated time (after hours) on his dyno (thanks Chet!), and those who put up w/ me all hours while swapping intakes! Sorry for lack of pictures, we planned on getting them later but due to aggravating circumstances we just wanted to get the page up and visible to all who were interested in the results!!!
 

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I get ya now curt, I will make some more adjustments here this evening after work if I have time. thank you for the help.

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Adapters?

Yes, Price Motorsports makes some adaptors for the BB Ford. Their adapter that I am aware of, and have used, allows one to install a OEM oval port DOVE/CJ style manifold on A-460 heads. That's all.

I make adapters to install A-460 manifolds such as the TFS, on C-460 heads, and also another set to install A-460 manifolds on Pro-Filer 205 heads.

I also make the spacers required to install the FRPP C-460 intake manifold on Pro-Filer 205 heads.

Hope this helps,
 

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Yes, Price Motorsports makes some adaptors for the BB Ford. Their adapter that I am aware of, and have used, allows one to install a OEM oval port DOVE/CJ style manifold on A-460 heads. That's all.

I make adapters to install A-460 manifolds such as the TFS, on C-460 heads, and also another set to install A-460 manifolds on Pro-Filer 205 heads.

I also make the spacers required to install the FRPP C-460 intake manifold on Pro-Filer 205 heads.

Hope this helps,
Charlie you missed this one,
Price also makes adapters to install a standard intake manifold on the later F.I. production heads.
 

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The Blue Thunder dual quad is a replica of a Buddy Bar casting done for the Ford TA program, one of which I had on a 429 in a 69 Mach1. That intake worked very well without a doubt. I had a pair of modified 1850 600vac sec. carbs on it and it had no problem turning 7000 and pulled very hard throughout the rpm range. Awsome intake when matched with the right cam.
 

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intake pecking order

hey you totally forgot about the offy tunnel ram. it came already cj port sized and beat the weiland in cfm flow and horsepower. ill try and find the link for ya. and you also need to look at old motorsport a-460 intake that is shorter then the tfs one. it makes alot more torque and is good for the guys running under 500 cubes. we got a 470 cube motor that made 17ftlbs more torque with shorter intake and was still within 3 horse at 8500 rpm. just cuz its old school doesnt mean its bad school.
 

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I don't know where you got your information on the old Offy tunnel ram intake, however I believe you are mistaken. You said you would try to find the thread, so please do.

In the actual flow testing comparison that Paul Kane and I did several years ago, between the Weiand tunnel ram and the Offy tunnel ram, the Weiand flowed more cfm and was the winner IMO.
 

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hi yall ,
im having a heck of a time finding info for the stock iron DOVE 4 barrel manifolds good bad indifferent ? i have set of d3ve heads with stock DOVE manifolds wondering if its worth the effort to keep and make a good sleeper from ..

Is it any better than the standard stock 460 cast manifolds ? they look cleaner with better runners and still lower profile for those engine swap guys ..

like us who shoe horn one into a yota lol ..
 

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So were do the offenhouser 360 turbo tunnel ram stand in this list! Thats what I have on my car, and whats the rpm on the 360 turbo tunnel ram! Would a victor jr with a big shot plate be better than my t_ram! Thanks guys!
 

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So how does the original Torker rate? (The one that came out in the 70's or maybe early 80's)

Doh! On looking back I see it has been mentioned!

So if I ever got rich enough what would be a better manifold - I do pretty much street driving, freeway cruising and rarely do a 1/4 mmile these days.
 
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