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Well I was excited about the Struts but they never got done so ...........
we've come to the realization that I am in need of a new chassis builder. I am on vacation next week so I will go to Senatobia to get all my stuff.

I will not bad mouth the chassis builder on here or anywhere. We are still friends, we just have different ideas on the importance of sticking with an original deadline. Nothing has been welded on the car since the dash bar and that was Dec.

I just feel like I should get out while we can still get along. I brought it to him in Nov/Dec. Like I said I am not mad, just disappointed. I would have liked to have raced at the end of this year.

The guy is a fine craftsman and does top notch work. I just don't think his interest is in tube chassis race cars. They aren't the low hanging fruit so to speak. SO I will have a ton of stuff to go get and then haul to another chassis builder somewhere. Bad news, but something good comes from everything bad... the good news is I will finally get some bars welded on my car.

The other good news is I got to start on a motor earlier than I thought. I was going to run the 514 in the new chassis but due to sheer boredom I had to do something, so that got moved forward.

this is a major set back, but we must move forward.

I surely hope his feelings don't get hurt on this, he means well and is a really good guy. I still consider him a friend. This is the hardest thing I've had to do in a while.
 

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WOW! I know exactly how you feel, and I feel for ya. Went through the same thing, except my 'friend' got a year of FREE evening work from me :x I got squat. Still trying to get the chassis built.
I hope all goes well when you get your stuff.
 

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WOW! I know exactly how you feel, and I feel for ya. Went through the same thing, except my 'friend' got a year of FREE evening work from me :x I got squat. Still trying to get the chassis built.
I hope all goes well when you get your stuff.
Come to Kentucky , I'll be glad to work you for free :p
 

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I've been there.

In my experience, the worst thing you can do is get a "great deal" from a good friend for anything involving labor. After getting burned multiple times on either the monetary or time factor...I've decided if I can't do it myself, I'd rather pay a reputable complete stranger double than take the job to a friend.

A friend will give you a good price, then sit on the project forever as they take better paying jobs. "When they can get to it" never comes around. It always ends up costing them to work on your car; so it sits. Your friend knows you personally and knows you will forgive and/or understand how busy they are.

Lastly, a friend knows you're not going to firebomb their shop when they've had your car for a year or two and havn't touched it.

No more "friends jobs" for me. The closest I come to employing a friend is asking to borrow a lift, or paying for a specific small-job while-I-wait.
 

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I know how you feel Jerry. That's how the guys who built an engine for me years ago were. After they did all of the machining and porting I pretty much assembled it myself in their shop!


Do you have any chassis guys in mind? I know New Orleans is a drive for you but there are some good guys down here. Some good ones in Baton Rouge too.
 

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TorinoStyle2 said:
The old addage applies.....'if you want something done, you gotta do it yourself'.
True enough however, NHRA aqnd SFI specs require Tig welded and certain chassis specs. Granted I have the book on the specs but a reputable chassis shop is who you'd normally get to do this. this isnt'a a back half mild steel 2x3 frame rail car, not that there is anything wrong with that, it's just that the car has to be inspected to 6.00 flat, 25.1E specs. Unless you are REALLY GOOD this is somthing you don't usually do at home. USUALLY... there are a few exceptions of course.

Mainly I don't TIG weld or have a tig welder.... big obstacle right there.
 

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The old addage applies.....'if you want something done, you gotta do it yourself'.
I agree. I'll try to do everything myself just to save me the aggrevation of dealing w/ a situation like above. It took 8 months to get my wife's cousin to do the machine work on my block and heads. Last time I'll ever tell anyone doing something for me "to take their time,I'm in no hurry".
 

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Sorry to hear your troubles JS there is an old southern saying we use way up here in michigan, fish, family and friends stink after 3 days. When you find a new chassis builder make sure he has the new chassis specs 25.1E changed in the 2006 year so the chassis builders will be busy updating everyone chassis. Gregg
 

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JS i have a chassis shop in Indiana PROTREE RACE CARS
if i can help you just e-mail me back
i just finished a complete moly chassis car that cert it 6.00 it was 69 mustang the guy is a member of the forum
all cars are certified befor they leave my shop
 

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Chassis work can be a very in depth job. I know your point as one of the chassis builders in my last city seem to have the same 4 or 5 cars in his shop year after year and he would just bang a few small jobs in and out. I often wondered if they were all his friends cars or what but I did hear complaints from other customers at cruises etc. After saying that I have done some chassis work myself and it is a painfully slow process (measure everything a million times, weld once). Tig welding even adds more time. I often wondered if it got to be a much faster process had I had alot more experience in that field. Obviously you are having NO progress at all and you have a large job to do. I can't recommend anyone so I hope you have some better luck than you have been having.
 

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You know I think there is a joke somewhere in here, hmmmm. You know your chassis builder is slow when he is delayed 3 times due to the certification requirements bieng updated.
Sorry couldn't resist.

Sorry to hear about your troubles with this, it really hurts when you have to do something like take teh work back away from someone you consider a friend, been there done that but we are still friends, it might make him made for a minute but if he is honest he will just go on and continue to do work that is paying him more and is more what he wants to do and continue to be your friend.
 

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Time spent fitting & Tig welding 'moly vs mild steel:

I heard people over the years say that it takes much longer to fit & Tig weld 'moly tubing than it does mild steel because it takes longer to precisely grind & fit 'moly for a tighter fitting joint.

But in the end, fitting & Tigging one vs the other pretty much ends up being a wash as far as total time goes. While the grind/fit of 'moly (.083") for a tight precise "perfect" fit does take a bunch of time, mild steel (.134" wall) is so much thicker, and that also takes a bunch of time to grind just for an "ok" fit.

Tig welding 'moly does take some time because it's thinner, and your working slower & being careful to not over heat the joint, or burn through/pop a hole in the joint.
But mild steel also takes some time to Tig weld too because the thicker material takes longer to get up to temp, you don't want to just "crank-up" the Tig machine to weld mild steel faster. This is because you need to be welding slow enough to be able to "stop & back-up" incase you run across a bad alloy spot in the mild steel (mild steel has more "trash" in it than 'moly does).

It all takes up time......even hunting around the #%*/@!*(*) $%<>? shop lookin for the #%*/@!*(*) $%<>? tape measure or sharpie marker because you never have enough of either of them (LOL).

Hope the new guy builds the 'Stang to sit just the way your mind has pictured it.
 
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