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Anyone else see this?

"NHRA Sends Letters Announcing License Revocation To Street Outlaws TV Cast – Competition Licenses To Be Revoked If Participation Continues"

http://bangshift.com/bangshift1320/nhra-sends-letters-announcing-license-revocation-street-outlaws-tv-cast-competition-licenses-revoked-participation-continues/

Full letter shown below.

While I might agree with the NHRA that the show is bad for the sport as a whole, they're totally overstepping their bounds, and this sort of authoritarian response, acting as if they OWN the sport is ridiculous. They need to see the writing on the wall, and bring out some new classes, maybe ease up on the rules a bit for the sportsman classes. Their actions are as much to blame for people turning to the street to race as anything else.

The NHRA has needed a shake up for a long time now, and maybe this is it. Maybe people will quit renewing their memberships, and/or quit watching. 2 million viewers tune in for Street Outlaws every week.....how many people tune in for an NHRA event?


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Well spoken Cars by Carl , seems they cater to rails and funny cars. Not the sportsman racer. Me personally I like to watch door slammers. Top fuel and funny cars are kinda boring to watch for me. Same guys win every year. They need to look at the bigger picture. Drag racing was dying till the shows come about. Pinks, pass time , street outlaws . Bring interest back, or at least in my part of the country . Every one and there dog around here are building a car or truck to race. Seen where pinks may be back in summer. We are slowly loosing all the rights this country was founded on . Theres really not much freedom any more , just rules and regulations.
 

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it just a tv show but it brings younger,new people into a dying sport.me i love the show like pro-wrestling,i got guys i work with that have never seen a drag race now interested in the sport.beats monday night football by a mile
 

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LMAO!!

There CONTRACTED to make a TV SHOW!!!!
So the cast of all "The Fast 4,5,6,7" movie{s} are street racing,running from the cops in their "race" cars and etc.......but that's ok? They getting a "letter" too?

Maybe the Olympic committee should ban WWE for making REAL wrestling look bad??
lol

Get a grip and quit crying over NOTHING.

ITS TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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NHRA had to turn off public posting from their Facebook page because people were letting them have it, now people are lighting up the comments on their posts. People are attacking NHRA sponsors too. What were they thinking?

https://www.facebook.com/NHRA

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Big Brother NHRA is watching you all, look out. Okay, it is a TV show, and nothing more than that, entertainment. Only thing I sort of agree with is the NHRA stickers on the car, but heck anyone can purchase most of those stickers. Probably what NHRA is upset about relates to they are not making any money off of the event. Please don't get me wrong, not looking to promote illegal street racing in any form, but also getting tired of organizations that can't even police themselves, trying to govern others.
 

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plus, its very expensive to race a doorslammer in the NHRA. I would flick them the bird and go NMCA from the gate anyhow. As previously stated, the NHRA isn't interested in Sportsman class. the "illegal" aspect of the show is suspect. Im sure the road is closed off with an ambulance and cops on site. Personally id rather hit a wall than a curb. Why don't they settle it on the track Chicago Wise Guys style?
 

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These guys on street outlaws in my opinion probly used to be real street racers, I'm sure ones like the farm truck won a lot of unsuspecting people's money. Now they are way too famous to do any short of thing. No way it actually on a open public road now with like 10 full drag cars trailers drivers their buddies and a full camera crew. I love the outlaw rules idea of it all back to roots stuff. But my guess is the NHRA isn't wanting drag racing to be represented by those guys acting like they race in the street. And the money loss I'd say has a part in it. Personally it's more entertaining to me than a NHRA event on tv. But that's just one man opinion. It's kinda like the local very loose rules here in truck pulling. Promotes creative engines.
 

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plus, its very expensive to race a doorslammer in the NHRA. I would flick them the bird and go NMCA from the gate anyhow. As previously stated, the NHRA isn't interested in Sportsman class. the "illegal" aspect of the show is suspect. Im sure the road is closed off with an ambulance and cops on site. Personally id rather hit a wall than a curb. Why don't they settle it on the track Chicago Wise Guys style?

Another vgood post. Dragsters and Funny cars are boring to me. Super stockers to Pro stockers is where it's at as far as I am concerned. The media enhanced "drama" the show features is getting worse and worse. Johnny Law HAS to know what is going on. Do they really think people actually believe they are evading the police...with their entourage ?!!
I'll still watch it though.
 

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I like watching NHRA. Fuel cars are kick *** and I dig watching prostock.

The NHRA doesn't need to overdub fake engine noises and tire squeals. lmao

Besides, I can see cocky trash talkin' douche bags all day long at my local track. Why would I want to watch more of them on tv?

While the racing on the SO show is widely known to be done in a controlled enviroment, the premise of the show is illegal street racing. Shockingly, people copycat what they see. This behavior does our hobby no favors with those that would like us all to drive Toyota Prius's. This is the bigger picture that all the flapping yaps on the internet seem to ignore.

http://www.hotrod.com/news/nhra-responds-to-the-hate-over-their-street-outlaws-letter/
 

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I like watching NHRA. Fuel cars are kick *** and I dig watching prostock.

The NHRA doesn't need to overdub fake engine noises and tire squeals. lmao

Besides, I can see cocky trash talkin' douche bags all day long at my local track. Why would I want to watch more of them on tv?

While the racing on the SO show is widely known to be done in a controlled enviroment, the premise of the show is illegal street racing. Shockingly, people copycat what they see. This behavior does our hobby no favors with those that would like us all to drive Toyota Prius's. This is the bigger picture that all the flapping yaps on the internet seem to ignore.

http://www.hotrod.com/news/nhra-responds-to-the-hate-over-their-street-outlaws-letter/
I couldn't agree more. Any show on the idiot box that promotes the 'premise' of illegal street racing is just simply callous and is showing NO responsibility for their actions for teaching impressionable minds that its simply OK to ignore the safety of them selves and any innocent people and property around them IMO.
Good, bad or indifferent, that's why the sanctioning bodies were formed in the first place.
Wally Parks and others took a hobby off the streets where people were getting hurt and killed and placed it in the publics mind as an acceptable sport where it was allowed to grow into what it is today, a controlled environment where safety is the prime objective.
What little that I've watched this drama mongering show promotes lack of concern for safety and focuses on trash talk and selling sponsors products. Period.
'Reality TV'. It's anything but real. And it is self serving.

As far as the IHRA is concerned, it's their sanctioning body and they can run it any way that they see fit. If participants don't like the way that it's run, it's a free country, go find another sanctioning body to run under.
Personally, I can agree with them not allowing them to be licensed to run on their tracks. You can't be licensed to run on any track without first having enough brains and experience to get a regular drivers license first any way. That also takes into account the people that don't have the moral responsibility to not drink and drive and loose their driving privileges for the street.

In part, IMO, it's a window on societies current consensus to not have to be responsible for it's actions.

I'll get off of my soap box now. ;)
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In part, IMO, it's a window on societies current consensus to not have to be responsible for it's actions.
Says who? I do watch the show, and there's been a lot of talk about being responsible for their actions. They also take a lot of precautions in finding remote areas, and testing in remote areas where the public at large won't be put at risk. Yes, it's all a TV production and done on closed roads etc, but they're at least setting a good example for people who are going to go out and run on the streets....no matter if it's because they don't have a track nearby, or because NHRA has grown too big for it's britches.

My main issue with the NHRA's actions here is that they're sticking their nose into people's private business outside of their sanctioned events. Conduct unbecoming? Are they joking?!?! Having an NHRA competition license is NOT the same as being an employee of the NFL, etc.

The NHRA won't be getting a dime of my money if I can help it, and I'm happy to race under a more sportsman friendly organization.
 

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Their private business becomes NHRA's business when your comp # or NHRA identifying info is broadcast to a couple of million homes a week.

They basically drew a line in the sand and said hey you are either with us or against us, but you can't have it both ways, so make your choice.
 

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Their private business becomes NHRA's business when your comp # or NHRA identifying info is broadcast to a couple of million homes a week.

They basically drew a line in the sand and said hey you are either with us or against us, but you can't have it both ways, so make your choice.
Competition number? Who cares? That number doesn't mean anything to anyone who isn't active in their sanctioning body.

As for an NHRA sticker on the car....maybe they have a point there, but a proper course of action would be to send a cease and desist letter to the company producing the TV show. And this isn't about stickers....they threatened to suspend anyone participating in the show, period, no mention of it only being those displaying the sticker or competition number. And what about all the companies who are paying the racers to promote their products by wearing their T-shirts, etc? The tracks paying Street Outlaw guys to show up, so they draw a bigger crowd? Is the NHRA going to stop taking their money and ban them from drag racing too? They don't own the sport, and they've completely overstepped their bounds with this action.

And if you notice the first sentence of the rule they sight in their letter says "Participants at (NHRA) events are expected......blah,blah,blah". Street Outlaws isn't an NHRA event, so those rules don't apply. If they did suspend somebody's license, and that person wanted to challenge them in court, NHRA wouldn't have a leg to stand on.


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They make the rules, they enforce the rules and the interpret the rules. It's totally their call to make. Besides, they have the power to amend the rules anytime they want to, so any sort of lawsuit would be ridiculous. All they would have to do is revise the rule book, and send out new letters afterward.

My, your or anyone else's interpretation of that rule is a moot point.

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The NHRA is not the Government. It's basically an organization that has rules they make themselves. They are not overstepping their bounds at all. They are simply not letting people participate in NHRA events that they do not approve of. It is their ball. They can take it and go home if they want.

You can sue anybody for anything. This would be a hopeless case because it is a private organization that makes their own rules. They were clearly not discriminating on the basis of ethnicity or race. That would be another matter. Their protest was clearly laid out and perfectly legit. It is bullet proof. No question about that. The NHRA can take back an NHRA license they issue. They at least gave them the courtesy of telling them why. I'm pretty sure that when it comes right down to it they didn't even have to do that. Because they feel like it is really good enough reason to do it.

With all of that being said people in this democracy vote with their dollars when it comes to keeping private organizations in business. Only time will tell if this was a good business decision by the NHRA.

As for the issue of street racing we all know the answer to that. It shouldn't be done. But the show is just that. A TV show. It isn't actual illegal street racing. We all know this. If it was it wouldn't be on anymore because the producers of the show would be in jail for sponsoring such an illegal activity. All you are actually witnessing is FREEDOM OF SPEECH when you watch Street Outlaws. Different people express this in many different ways.

I'm thinking the NHRA stepped in a real public relations nightmare here because it is obviously an unpopular decision. But it was their unpopular decision to make. They made the call. Now they have to live with it.
 

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The NHRA is not the Government. It's basically an organization that has rules they make themselves. They are not overstepping their bounds at all. They are simply not letting people participate in NHRA events that they do not approve of. It is their ball. They can take it and go home if they want.
Still going to disagree....there are people and organizations making some serious money via participation in NHRA events. The NHRA is essentially an employer for a lot of people. Neither exists without the other. For them to set out a rule book and indiscriminately revoke a person's or organization's ability to make a living for reasons not spelled out in their own rule book, it could be challenged in court successfully imho. Now, if they change the rules, or amend them in some manner, and notify licensees of said change, that's a different case.

I don't have an NHRA competition license or rule book, so maybe there is something in there where they reserve the right to repeal a license for "any reason or no reason at all without notice", but if they did I doubt they would have issued the letter they did.

The NHRA has been on the ropes for a while, and this whole deal isn't going to help. They could have extended an olive branch, but chose to go to war instead. Bad plan. None of it is good for the sport. Not the show, and not the NHRA's attempt to get people back in line.

Wonder how much money these "outlaws" make participating in the show vs. NHRA events? My guess is that the "outlaws" are laughing all the way to the bank, and the NHRA will continue to flounder along unless public pressure on sponsors of their events and racer's sponsors forces them to do otherwise.


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the NHRA doesn't own anyone as a licensed driver. My car is certified and I pass the tests, what I do in my own time is none of the NHRAs over reaching biz.

But seriously, I owned a 74 Pontiac Ventura with a 400 in it back in 1983, ran 15s on the street and that was fast. Why not put it on the track and tour and fight it out in Atlanta or Memphis at the end of the summer? my junk isn't street legal. Drive a spool to lunch on Sat.!
 

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I agree with the nhra on this. They have a code of conduct that everyone who has an nhra license has agreed to uphold.

If memory serves me correctly the code of conduct is also on the very first page of the rule book.

The participants of the show have been given ample notice, so they need to make a choice. Seems pretty clear cut to me.
 
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