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Oil hole in roller lifter
November 20 2005 at 10:34 PM
No score for this post Richard (Login Ford565)
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Using a 429 cj block for drag race only do you want the oil hole inline with the oil gallery or 90 degrees away.thank you for any help.
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kevin
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141.158.58.46 Re: Oil hole in roller lifter
No score for this post November 20 2005, 11:25 PM
The oil hole should be parallel to the roller axle in any 385 engine.
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Randy Malik
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4.229.9.104 Re: Oil hole in roller lifter
No score for this post November 21 2005, 4:08 PM
Before you talk in ABSOLUTES you should be aware of ALL the posibilities.
On a 385 series engine the mechanical roller lifter side oil hole(s) can be in either direction depending upon if there is ONLY one hole or two; different brand roller lifters use different locations.
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Gary Blair
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216.207.70.45 Crane's are perpendicular to the axle. Other manufacturer's like
No score for this post November 21 2005, 6:49 PM
Randy said run parallel and can be installed link bar up or down on most blocks. The Crane's must be installed link bar facing up.
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Danny
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24.59.209.79 Re: Crane's are perpendicular to the axle. Other manufacturer's like
No score for this post November 21 2005, 7:59 PM
My Crowers are also perpendicular to the axel and must be installed bar up (to the center).
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kevin
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141.158.58.46 Can't we figure this out?
No score for this post November 21 2005, 8:53 PM
that's good info, randy.
the only reason i said what i said above was because this was just covered in 2 threads and i got the feeling, from those 2 threads, that the hole was supposed to be parallel and there was no other configuration except in a windsor. Unfortunately in those threads nothing was mentioned regarding the number of holes. I will no longer post info that i have learned here. i don't mean to sound like an ***, but i'd rather not look like an *** by repeating something that isn't accurate. i'd rather just chime in when i know something from experience.
the threads:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/85220/thread/1132118476/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/85220/thread/1130625422/SBF+&+BBF+roller+lifters
So its time we put this to rest and have a thread where a conclusion is drawn...
What should the oil holes be, and how many are there, for the various brands of solid roller lifters?
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Randy Malik
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4.229.150.158 Just remember ...no matter what the brand ...
No score for this post November 22 2005, 11:09 AM
the lifter oil hole(s) CAN NOT intersect directly with the oil galleys in the block.
When a roller lifter has a single perpendicular oil hole it is paramount that the hole be installed toward the side of the lifter bore opposite the oil galley.
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Dale
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205.206.48.219 Re: Just remember ...no matter what the brand ...
No score for this post November 22 2005, 10:12 PM
My Crane Ultra Pros are instructed to install with the link bars facing the center of the engine. The oiling oil/groove, is on the same side? Sound right to you????
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Randy Malik
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4.229.105.121 Oiling GROOVE and oiling HOLE are different things
No score for this post November 23 2005, 10:44 AM
The groove, (or annulus), goes all the way around. It's the actual hole which matters.
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Dale
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205.206.48.219 Randy,
No score for this post November 23 2005, 9:26 PM
these Cranes have four 3/8" holes that are drilled straight through the lifter, perpendicular to each other. Off of one hole, is a groove that goes to an oiling hole that feeds the pushrod end of the lifter. The oiling hole/groove is on the same side of the lifter as the guide bars, which face the middle of the engine. Have you seen this before. I thought when I bought them that they had pressurized oiling to the roller, but I must have read Cranes literature wrong. These are going into a A460 block. What do you think?..........Dale
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Randy Malik
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4.229.72.71 Re: Randy,
No score for this post November 24 2005, 3:50 PM
Four 3/8" holes and one intersects with an OILING groove or hole...? Nothing I've ever seen before.
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Dale
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205.206.48.219 RANDY....
No score for this post November 24 2005, 11:03 PM
Sure hope I'm not being a pest. This subject has got me thinking about this lifter issue, and I want to be as sure as possible. Would you follw this link, and see what you think. The pic in the link, is real similiar to my lifters. I think they are ok?????? http://www.cranecams.com/index.php?show=browseParts&lvl=3&prt=118
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Dale
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205.206.48.219 BUMP
No score for this post November 27 2005, 10:29 PM
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Randy Malik
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4.229.72.155 Re: RANDY....
No score for this post November 28 2005, 6:16 PM
I have no idea what you have...the CRANE's in the photo would work fine.
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kevin
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141.158.58.46 Re: Crane's are perpendicular to the axle. Other manufacturer's like
No score for this post November 21 2005, 8:57 PM
danny, that goes against everything i've read here so far. what the?
does the hole in your lifters go straight through the lifter, or does it just go into one side?
i thought the lifters you described are for a windsor! i had a set or crower severe duty rollers for a windsor and the hole was perpendicular. is it possible that the manufacturer's dont know what the hell they're doing? is this why so many guys flood the top ends of their 460s?
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Richard
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209.215.39.43 Comp Cam Lifters
No score for this post November 21 2005, 11:01 PM
Thanks for the replys so far.My comp cam lifters have two holes straight through and parallel to the axle.Is this allowing to much oil to the rockers.Thanks again for the help.
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Randy Malik
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4.229.150.158 Re: Comp Cam Lifters
No score for this post November 22 2005, 11:24 AM
Comp Cams roller lifters have side oil holes which go completely through the lifter body so, there are TWO passageways to the center. That's why they have completely different lifter bodies for a small block, and 385 big block.
If your CompCams lifters oil holes are parallel to their axle then you have the correct lifters for a 385 engine.
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Deano
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67.65.248.123 My solid Crower's
No score for this post November 22 2005, 11:37 AM
have the oil hole parallel to axle. Part #66217-H
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Danny
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24.59.209.79 Thats strange?
No score for this post November 22 2005, 4:02 PM
My Crower’s have the oiling opposite yours, however my oil feed is still away from the oil galley. The side facing the tie bar (toward center of engine) has open feed holes and the side away from the tie bar (toward outside of engine) are plugged from the factory. The Crower part # is 66379H-16 with the HIPPO oiling.
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Anonymous
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216.135.28.43 My Crower
No score for this post November 22 2005, 5:28 PM
is 66217H with the hole parallel. Says on box for 460.
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jeff hann
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64.12.117.9 DAMMIT!!!......You guys are killing me!!!!!!!!.......
No score for this post November 22 2005, 6:02 PM
I'm building a 460 now for my recently acquired backhalved fox, and I'm leaning towards a solid roller. This thread is freaking me out. LOL!!
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kevin
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141.158.58.46 good!
No score for this post November 22 2005, 6:14 PM
the more people that freak out the closer we'll come to getting this squared away!
at least you didn't buy lifters yet. I got a set of spendy crowers for my 385. they had the windsor link bar, which don't fit a 385, and a hole perpendicular to the roller axle. i'm working on getting a "correct" set now. who knows where the hell the oil hole will be.
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Danny
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24.59.209.79 Re: My Crower
No score for this post November 22 2005, 7:22 PM
Looks like the difference is that the 66217 is standard for 370 – 460 and the 66379 has an offset pushrod, listed as fitting 429 – 460. I’m not sure why the oiling is different but it sounds as though they both will work as neither one has a feed hole facing the blocks oil galley. (fingers crossed)
http://www.crower.com/misc/m_cat.shtml
Dan
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Randy Malik
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4.229.129.239 Both ways are correct...just pay attention at installation
No score for this post November 22 2005, 9:21 PM
Crower uses the SAME lifter bodies with the Chevrolet .874" diameter and the Fords roller lifters when the intake pushrod seats are OFFSET; simply with a different tie bar.
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kim
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70.56.230.19 nm
No score for this post November 23 2005, 11:11 AM
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DaveMcLain
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64.251.140.78 Different methods of oil control?
No score for this post November 25 2005, 10:44 AM
I was one of the people who posted about the direction of the oil holes needing to be parallel with the axle in a 385 or Cleveland Ford. The whole(sorry for the pun:^) reason being so that pressureized oil is NOT fed into the lifter and up to the valley in a large uncontrolled leak. The oil is metered by the clearance between the lifter and the bore, simple and mostly fool proof.
I'm just wondering if Crower and some of these other cases are metering the oil in some other way, a small orfice inside of the lifter, OR the hole is drilled high enough on the body that it does not intersect the oil galley if run on a cam with a normal base circle.....
OR, they are thinking that YOU will be restricting the oil in some way, bushed lifter bores or a restrictor in the oil galley as in an SVO block. In those cases I don't think it would make any difference at all which way the hole was drilled in the lifter....
Food for thought....
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j.jones
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209.214.233.130 What about these from Comp? New at Sema show.
No score for this post November 25 2005, 11:52 AM
http://www.semaphotos.com/imageSingle/ImageID=SEM2005110101012
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Danny Cabral
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67.163.170.250 Are restricted oil hole pushrods an option (to prevent flooding top end)?
No score for this post November 25 2005, 1:05 PM
Just a thought.
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Randy Malik
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4.229.72.120 SOLID roller lifters...these CompCams' are Hydraulics
No score for this post November 27 2005, 10:22 PM
Hydraulic Roller Lifters, (which these are), will have a COMPLETELY different oiling path than solid roller lifters
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Oil hole in roller lifter
November 20 2005 at 10:34 PM
No score for this post Richard (Login Ford565)
from IP address 209.215.39.22
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Using a 429 cj block for drag race only do you want the oil hole inline with the oil gallery or 90 degrees away.thank you for any help.
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kevin
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141.158.58.46 Re: Oil hole in roller lifter
No score for this post November 20 2005, 11:25 PM
The oil hole should be parallel to the roller axle in any 385 engine.
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Randy Malik
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4.229.9.104 Re: Oil hole in roller lifter
No score for this post November 21 2005, 4:08 PM
Before you talk in ABSOLUTES you should be aware of ALL the posibilities.
On a 385 series engine the mechanical roller lifter side oil hole(s) can be in either direction depending upon if there is ONLY one hole or two; different brand roller lifters use different locations.
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Gary Blair
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216.207.70.45 Crane's are perpendicular to the axle. Other manufacturer's like
No score for this post November 21 2005, 6:49 PM
Randy said run parallel and can be installed link bar up or down on most blocks. The Crane's must be installed link bar facing up.
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Danny
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24.59.209.79 Re: Crane's are perpendicular to the axle. Other manufacturer's like
No score for this post November 21 2005, 7:59 PM
My Crowers are also perpendicular to the axel and must be installed bar up (to the center).
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kevin
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141.158.58.46 Can't we figure this out?
No score for this post November 21 2005, 8:53 PM
that's good info, randy.
the only reason i said what i said above was because this was just covered in 2 threads and i got the feeling, from those 2 threads, that the hole was supposed to be parallel and there was no other configuration except in a windsor. Unfortunately in those threads nothing was mentioned regarding the number of holes. I will no longer post info that i have learned here. i don't mean to sound like an ***, but i'd rather not look like an *** by repeating something that isn't accurate. i'd rather just chime in when i know something from experience.
the threads:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/85220/thread/1132118476/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/85220/thread/1130625422/SBF+&+BBF+roller+lifters
So its time we put this to rest and have a thread where a conclusion is drawn...
What should the oil holes be, and how many are there, for the various brands of solid roller lifters?
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Randy Malik
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4.229.150.158 Just remember ...no matter what the brand ...
No score for this post November 22 2005, 11:09 AM
the lifter oil hole(s) CAN NOT intersect directly with the oil galleys in the block.
When a roller lifter has a single perpendicular oil hole it is paramount that the hole be installed toward the side of the lifter bore opposite the oil galley.
This message has been edited by rmcomprandy from IP address 4.229.150.158 on Nov 22, 2005 11:12 AM
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Dale
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205.206.48.219 Re: Just remember ...no matter what the brand ...
No score for this post November 22 2005, 10:12 PM
My Crane Ultra Pros are instructed to install with the link bars facing the center of the engine. The oiling oil/groove, is on the same side? Sound right to you????
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Randy Malik
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4.229.105.121 Oiling GROOVE and oiling HOLE are different things
No score for this post November 23 2005, 10:44 AM
The groove, (or annulus), goes all the way around. It's the actual hole which matters.
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Dale
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205.206.48.219 Randy,
No score for this post November 23 2005, 9:26 PM
these Cranes have four 3/8" holes that are drilled straight through the lifter, perpendicular to each other. Off of one hole, is a groove that goes to an oiling hole that feeds the pushrod end of the lifter. The oiling hole/groove is on the same side of the lifter as the guide bars, which face the middle of the engine. Have you seen this before. I thought when I bought them that they had pressurized oiling to the roller, but I must have read Cranes literature wrong. These are going into a A460 block. What do you think?..........Dale
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Randy Malik
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4.229.72.71 Re: Randy,
No score for this post November 24 2005, 3:50 PM
Four 3/8" holes and one intersects with an OILING groove or hole...? Nothing I've ever seen before.
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Dale
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205.206.48.219 RANDY....
No score for this post November 24 2005, 11:03 PM
Sure hope I'm not being a pest. This subject has got me thinking about this lifter issue, and I want to be as sure as possible. Would you follw this link, and see what you think. The pic in the link, is real similiar to my lifters. I think they are ok?????? http://www.cranecams.com/index.php?show=browseParts&lvl=3&prt=118
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Dale
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205.206.48.219 BUMP
No score for this post November 27 2005, 10:29 PM
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Randy Malik
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4.229.72.155 Re: RANDY....
No score for this post November 28 2005, 6:16 PM
I have no idea what you have...the CRANE's in the photo would work fine.
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kevin
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141.158.58.46 Re: Crane's are perpendicular to the axle. Other manufacturer's like
No score for this post November 21 2005, 8:57 PM
danny, that goes against everything i've read here so far. what the?
does the hole in your lifters go straight through the lifter, or does it just go into one side?
i thought the lifters you described are for a windsor! i had a set or crower severe duty rollers for a windsor and the hole was perpendicular. is it possible that the manufacturer's dont know what the hell they're doing? is this why so many guys flood the top ends of their 460s?
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Richard
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209.215.39.43 Comp Cam Lifters
No score for this post November 21 2005, 11:01 PM
Thanks for the replys so far.My comp cam lifters have two holes straight through and parallel to the axle.Is this allowing to much oil to the rockers.Thanks again for the help.
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Randy Malik
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4.229.150.158 Re: Comp Cam Lifters
No score for this post November 22 2005, 11:24 AM
Comp Cams roller lifters have side oil holes which go completely through the lifter body so, there are TWO passageways to the center. That's why they have completely different lifter bodies for a small block, and 385 big block.
If your CompCams lifters oil holes are parallel to their axle then you have the correct lifters for a 385 engine.
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Deano
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67.65.248.123 My solid Crower's
No score for this post November 22 2005, 11:37 AM
have the oil hole parallel to axle. Part #66217-H
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Danny
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24.59.209.79 Thats strange?
No score for this post November 22 2005, 4:02 PM
My Crower’s have the oiling opposite yours, however my oil feed is still away from the oil galley. The side facing the tie bar (toward center of engine) has open feed holes and the side away from the tie bar (toward outside of engine) are plugged from the factory. The Crower part # is 66379H-16 with the HIPPO oiling.
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Anonymous
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216.135.28.43 My Crower
No score for this post November 22 2005, 5:28 PM
is 66217H with the hole parallel. Says on box for 460.
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jeff hann
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64.12.117.9 DAMMIT!!!......You guys are killing me!!!!!!!!.......
No score for this post November 22 2005, 6:02 PM
I'm building a 460 now for my recently acquired backhalved fox, and I'm leaning towards a solid roller. This thread is freaking me out. LOL!!
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kevin
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141.158.58.46 good!
No score for this post November 22 2005, 6:14 PM
the more people that freak out the closer we'll come to getting this squared away!
at least you didn't buy lifters yet. I got a set of spendy crowers for my 385. they had the windsor link bar, which don't fit a 385, and a hole perpendicular to the roller axle. i'm working on getting a "correct" set now. who knows where the hell the oil hole will be.
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Danny
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24.59.209.79 Re: My Crower
No score for this post November 22 2005, 7:22 PM
Looks like the difference is that the 66217 is standard for 370 – 460 and the 66379 has an offset pushrod, listed as fitting 429 – 460. I’m not sure why the oiling is different but it sounds as though they both will work as neither one has a feed hole facing the blocks oil galley. (fingers crossed)
http://www.crower.com/misc/m_cat.shtml
Dan
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Randy Malik
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4.229.129.239 Both ways are correct...just pay attention at installation
No score for this post November 22 2005, 9:21 PM
Crower uses the SAME lifter bodies with the Chevrolet .874" diameter and the Fords roller lifters when the intake pushrod seats are OFFSET; simply with a different tie bar.
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kim
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70.56.230.19 nm
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DaveMcLain
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64.251.140.78 Different methods of oil control?
No score for this post November 25 2005, 10:44 AM
I was one of the people who posted about the direction of the oil holes needing to be parallel with the axle in a 385 or Cleveland Ford. The whole(sorry for the pun:^) reason being so that pressureized oil is NOT fed into the lifter and up to the valley in a large uncontrolled leak. The oil is metered by the clearance between the lifter and the bore, simple and mostly fool proof.
I'm just wondering if Crower and some of these other cases are metering the oil in some other way, a small orfice inside of the lifter, OR the hole is drilled high enough on the body that it does not intersect the oil galley if run on a cam with a normal base circle.....
OR, they are thinking that YOU will be restricting the oil in some way, bushed lifter bores or a restrictor in the oil galley as in an SVO block. In those cases I don't think it would make any difference at all which way the hole was drilled in the lifter....
Food for thought....
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j.jones
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209.214.233.130 What about these from Comp? New at Sema show.
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http://www.semaphotos.com/imageSingle/ImageID=SEM2005110101012
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Danny Cabral
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67.163.170.250 Are restricted oil hole pushrods an option (to prevent flooding top end)?
No score for this post November 25 2005, 1:05 PM
Just a thought.
May God's Grace Bless You.
1978 BRONCO: 508" stroker, TFS Street heads, A/C, Lentech Strip Terminator AOD-FRPP wide ratio gearset, Atlas II Highlander transfer case, performance built Dana 44/60-lockers & 4.10 gears, 4 wheel disc brakes, heim joint cross-over steering, 4" suspension lift, 35" mud tires.
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Randy Malik
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4.229.72.120 SOLID roller lifters...these CompCams' are Hydraulics
No score for this post November 27 2005, 10:22 PM
Hydraulic Roller Lifters, (which these are), will have a COMPLETELY different oiling path than solid roller lifters
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