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Hey guys,

I have a young family and I'm starting to get together some basic disaster supplies. The goal right now is just to be able to defend my family of 5 in case of emergency/looting/natural disaster/terrorist threat/etc. Or give my family the tools and reference material to make it on their own should something happen to me.

Things already on my list:

1. Gun safe
2. Remington 870 tactical shotgun
3. Thinking about an AR15, not sure about 9mm or .223 version
4. Would like a .45 handgun eventually
5. Putting together a 72 hour supply kit - non-perishable food, water, 1st aid, radio, blankets, cash, MANY other supplies - see any 72 hour kit checklist online such as http://www.dola.state.co.us/dem/public_information/emergency_kit.htm
6. Printed off FEMA's complete disaster guide and put in 3 ring binder for reference
7. Want a good "outdoor survival" reference book, should the need go well beyond 72 hours


Would like everyone's thoughts on the following:

1. 9mm AR15 worth it over the .223 version?
2. Worth getting quality gas masks and extra canisters?
3. Best survival reference books?
4. Anything else to add to the list?

Thanks for any replies.
 

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cougar1969 said:
do you know something we don't? :shock:


are you expecting a nuclear war or such?



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Just like to be prepared. Most of this stuff in the 72 hour kit people have laying around their houses/garages anyway, just a matter of putting some of it together "just in case".
 

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skosler said:
do you live in a rural area or a city?

I would go with a .223 over a 9mm for the range.




BuckeyeBoss said:
5. Putting together a 72 hour supply kit - non-perishable food, water, 1st aid, radio, blankets, cash, MANY other supplies - see any 72 hour kit checklist online such as http://www.dola.state.co.us/dem/public_information/emergency_kit.htm
I have a 72 month supply :wink: 8)
I live on the edge of the city/suburb. To my south and east it's pretty rural, to my north there's a decent sized city.

Yeah, I don't have the cash for a 72 month supply of anything right now, LOL. Just want some basic defense and survival gear.
 

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here are the book I am buying. I already know and have the tools/supplies to garden (I plant one twice a year). I have enough guns to get by. I have most of the other stuff like tools, supplies, etc from living in the country. I am approaching this more from a long term deal than a 'few days' deal. I work in the power industry and I know how easy it would be to put most of the USA in the black for weeks if not months.


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0967877776/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/157061377X/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&v=glance

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1579123686/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1580174574/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0292781644/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance
 

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I wouldn't think basic survival would be too terribly tough. Heck, I used to spend over a month in the Yellowstone backcountry at a time with no electricity, car, radio, running water.. and it was a hoot. Good days that I miss. Now, I realize a ****-hits-fan situation where you have to deal with other people that may be completely out of their minds when they've lost their saturday morning cartoons is going to be a bit different. I'd go with the .223 caliber. OR, a SAIGA or FAL in .308 so it can double as a hunting gun. Actually, if it's going to be used more for hunting than self defense but needs to be an auto with longer range, a Browning BAR would do dandy.
 

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Darrin Gorham said:
Im thinking gas would be up on the list too.
I have a 300 gal diesel tank for my tractors, etc, but I also keep at least 20 gallons of gas at the house in cans at all times. Just swap them out every once in a while.
 

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Think smaller for your ammo. I'd prefer .22cal riffle and 9mm handgun. You can carry a butt load of .22 bullets and with the proper shooting and be able to take down what ever food supply you will need. I also like the back pack rifle. Has a .22 riffle on top and your choice of either a 410, 20 or 12ga on the bottom. If you use that riffle you can use the short .22 or the .22 maxi-mag. (I preffer the maxi-mag.)

What would you rather be toting around?

SOG in my opinion is the only way to go for a knife.

Rope saw too.
 

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.223 or .308?

I'm trying to decide what to pick up also, while they are still available. Looked at a sig sauer .556 the other day, very nice but are only available in .223. Most gun shops around have had a substantial sales increase recently and are sold out of almost anything .308 semi auto.
 

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Last time I looked, .223 and .308 are currently being used by our military. Something to keep in mind. You can put 500 .22 cal rounds in your cargo pocket of your pants. You need some way to get clean water.


I remembered hearing about the rule of 3's put out by (I think) the military.


You will only survive 3 seconds without thinking...
3 minutes without air...
3 hours without shelter...
3 days without water...
3 weeks without food...
3 months without hope....

Not my rules, as I said, but gives you something to think about.

I also tell my family and friends, " When you can't go to the grocery store and get toilet paper, you know the **** has hit the fan. "

Ellen gets mad when I say we don't need a generator, because there won't be any gas for it when they burn down everything.

Ammo, ammo, ammo. I bet you could even trade it for food. Whether they want to or not. :wink:
 

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BuckeyeBoss said:
Hey guys,

2. Worth getting quality gas masks and extra canisters?
Unless you know somethings coming ahead of time or are planning on wearing it all the time. Dont bother it will be too late by the time you notice anything. Now if your expecting to encounter cs gas from riot police or military or even civilian that's a different story, by all means it beats sucking down that crap.
 

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BuckeyeBoss said:
skosler said:
I would kepp a min of $500 on hand

bullets and more bullets

http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/
Thanks man. You have a good survival knife preference?
6-8" High Quality Blade, If You can Find a Real K-Bar or US Mill Spec Surplus Military Stuff is good also, avoid the knock-off stuff.
 

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I feel their is a much greater need in a SHTF situation. I believe one should be prepared with a good rifle , side arm, and some ammo, chances are you are not going to have to go to "war" with you weapons, just use them for deterrents or a show of force if needed.

That brings me to the GREATER NEED.

You said you have a family of 5? That means you got some kids and wimmen folk!

EMOTIONAL SECURITY!!
Do what it takes to keep the wife from panic and the natives will not get restless. Keep enough DVD's, games, snack type food to keep the women and kids entertained and mind off the trouble at hand.

Include a "party pack" in your plans. While that big stockpile of guns, ammo, food eases your mind, it DOES NOTHING for the kids and makes the wife feel worried...

If you start circling the wagons and wear your ammo bandolier, chances are the wife and kids will loose it by day 3!! keep them calm and entertained while this will leave you free to access your situation, inventory your foods and get your perimeter safe...
 

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Broncman said:
If you start circling the wagons and wear your ammo bandolier, chances are the wife and kids will loose it by day 3!!

Dam, I knew I was going wrong somewhere. Who knew a bandolier of .30 cal would put some people off?

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I think i will go dig me a fallout shelter, sell all my hotrod stuff and buy every gun I can find. I'll go hire that Bear Grils dude or whatever his name is off of Man vs Wild to be my personal trainer and sidekick. I think about 5 years worth of army rations 500 gallons of gas, 1000 gallons of diesel, couple of bazzokaas, 50 cal mounted on the roof, some beef jerky, oh, lots of beer and whiskey...............I'll be set. :wink:

oh, also need a wirless internet connection and a laptop so I can surf 460ford and yellowbullet.............and some porn.
 
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