Starting my parts collection for 466 build

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powdercoater

Discussion Starter · Jul 30, 2010

Hello, This is my first post. I am a long time ford guy. My plans are to put a 466 in my 01 bullitt. Project is with my 18 and 15 year old sons.
We are setting a goal of 625-650 hp flywheel w/o stroke kit. ( we may put that in at a later date but not now)
My current plan is to use Kaase P51 heads with a stock block (.030 over) stock crank and stock rods all taken from a truck 460. The balance of the components I will decide later as I am only starting out and will probably take us 12-14 months to afford everything.

My question, is it better to buy a compete motor so I have brackets, water pump, timing cover, valve covers etc. I ask because I have found a shortblock 466 that needs rebuild. The guy has quite a few 429-460 parts.
I know what years I'm looking for. Any suggestions as far as questions I should ask him as far as other parts I could use so I dont have to buy so much pc meal? Also am I on the right track as far as the truck motor idea? I had read somewhere that the rods were stronger in the trucks. I'll be using a TR3650 trans (I hope will work) from my bullitt so maybe I'll need a 460 flywheel?
We are hoping to document our entire experience. I know I like to read and view them so I'm assuming others will be interested in ours. We are in Saint Charles, IL
Thanks in advance for any help.

JIM

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fordman59

· #2 · Jul 30, 2010

JMO, but stock rods at that HP level isn't a good idea. To get around 500-550 with a 460, it will be at 5100-5500 rpms or so. Shift point will be a bit higher. You would have to turn it even higher to get the HP ya want. Sure, some have done it. Some were lucky, and some had some tricks in rod preparation (Kasse's old dyno engine) and still a bit of luck. If ya gotta buy pistons and rods, ya might as well go with a stroke kit.
I would think stroker or lower the HP level.

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powdercoater

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jul 30, 2010

Thanks, thats something to consider. Kaase's stock block dyno motor was one of my inspirations for this idea but not the only one. I would still like some help on my questions though if anyone can oblige. For example I'm having a tough time getting a straight answer on which motor would have the somewhat beefier truck rods. I'm being told by one individual that not all trucks ahd these truck rods. Supposedly they are spotfaced not broched.

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95lightiningguy

· #4 · Jul 31, 2010 (Edited)

I've read on here, cant remember where, that the stock passenger car and truck rods are of the same strength when properly prepped. I'll see if I can find it and link it for you.

I found it http://www.460ford.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103491 good engine info too.

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powdercoater

Discussion Starter · #5 · Jul 31, 2010

Thanks, I read the tread and it was helpful. I'm also emailing with Rich (Boss 429) on here about possibly picking up a shortblock from him. he seems to know what he's talking about.

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fordman59

· #6 · Jul 31, 2010

powdercoater said:
Thanks, thats something to consider. Kaase's stock block dyno motor was one of my inspirations for this idea but not the only one. I would still like some help on my questions though if anyone can oblige. For example I'm having a tough time getting a straight answer on which motor would have the somewhat beefier truck rods. I'm being told by one individual that not all trucks ahd these truck rods. Supposedly they are spotfaced not broched.

My '87 F250 truck engine had the spot faced rods. I don't which years they used them.
One thing to add, gotta check the big ends to see if they are machined on center (not sure how to say that). Rod might not be machined in the center of the blank. Had some (2 in a set of 8) that were very thin on the cap side.

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bigblok86ranger

· #7 · Jul 31, 2010

Cool to see family projects! A word of advice though prepping the factory rods is gonna cost close to the cost of a set of SIR rods or similar. I was gonna do a 466 with kaase's heads and will warn you noone makes an over the shelf piston with the proper valve reliefs for stock stroke. A custom piston is ~$900. When you take this into acount the stroker looks better and better. Pistons are readily available for these heads with a stroker crank. You could have the notches cut into a set of pistons your self by your machine shop though. You could get a stroker kit with cast crank and good rods balanced... for around 1400. A stock stroke deal; good rods~600+pistons~$450+rings~130+Bearings~$150+balancing~$300=$1630. I would go stroker.

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powdercoater

Discussion Starter · #8 · Jul 31, 2010

Bigblock so you are saying if you use a stock stroke with the P51's and stock rods no one makes an off the shelf piston, and would have to have customs made?

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bigblok86ranger

· #9 · Jul 31, 2010

Yes unless something has changed in last 5 months, that is what I am saying. Cars by Carl gets some from diamond but I believe he has them custom made in batches and they are dual valve reliefs (stock and Kaase) and I believe they are around 11.5:1. I don't know if you are planning a pump gas deal or not. I was planning to do a pump gas deal.

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bigblok86ranger

· #10 · Jul 31, 2010

Oops sorry I forgot KB does make a piston 10.5:1 with stock stroke but it takes a 6.8 rod, there are only a couple places to get the 6.8 rod with the ford 2.5 inch rod journal I think it was Scat and RPM that offer them. Sorry don't want to mis inform you.

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