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Hi, why do I want to get rid of the oil slinger? Sounds like it has a purpose...lol...
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IF you go with a double roller timing chain, it is physically wider and will interfere (chew up) the slinger.
 

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Ok, thanks for the heads up, I didn't know that. Will there be an oil lube issue for the timing chain if the slinger is removed?
A double roller timing set needs far less oil than a morse with nylon teeth on the cam gear.
There is a channel from the front cam bearing that gives the chain plenty of oil.

Make CERTAIN that you use the actual straight up keyway at noon directly under the dot and tooth. Some timing sets list 0 as the later 8* retarded position










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Hi, yes, I noticed that some replacement gears had a 2 degree offset as TDC. Before I pulled the cover I found TDC for #1 and noticed the keyway on the crank was at noon. The Cloyes set has a true 'O' TDC for #1 which is what I want to do. Thanks
 

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Those OEM timing sets in the passenger cars were aluminum cam gear with nylon teeth for NVH / keep noise down.

They invariably failed at about 80K and I spent 10 years getting really good at replacing them with morse chains with an iron cam gear or a double roller.

Too many times the pieces of the failed teeth made their way into the oil pump causing catastrophic failure.

No reason to use a morse style chain these days.





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Hi....ok, new question. I had to gently pry the old cam timing gear off the cam shaft. It didn't take a lot of leverage, used 2 angle headed prys. Now in a uTube video I watched where a guy had the same engine as mine, the new cam gear slid right on. My new one won't slide on so am I safe using the cam gear bolt to ease it on like a press fit? The bolt is pretty long so I don't think the threads are at risk. Is the cam gear supposed to just slide on easily? Or did he maybe fine sand/steel wool the surfaces to get it to slide on easy?
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Hi....ok, new question. I had to gently pry the old cam timing gear off the cam shaft. It didn't take a lot of leverage, used 2 angle headed prys. Now in a uTube video I watched where a guy had the same engine as mine, the new cam gear slid right on. My new one won't slide on so am I safe using the cam gear bolt to ease it on like a press fit? The bolt is pretty long so I don't think the threads are at risk. Is the cam gear supposed to just slide on easily? Or did he maybe fine sand/steel wool the surfaces to get it to slide on easy?
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Are you sliding the crank gear on at the same time as you are attempting to install the cam gear on the cam? As in sliding them on equally keeping them in line with each other?
 

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HI, yes. I got the cam gear on using the bolt that holds it. But got a new problem, the Cloyes set I got from rock auto (3079X) doesn't have the plateau on the front for the fuel pump offset cam. So now I'm back to square one. It seems anything above 'standard' replacement, ie-heavy duty, high performance, they eliminate the plateau that the fuel pump ring goes on. I'm guessing because high performance applications switch to an electric fuel pump. Enginetech makes one (TS493A) that looks like it will work but most pics for all the gear kits show the back not the front of the cam gear. calling the MFG tech dept to find out if it has plateau. I want to set the crank to "0" degrees at TDC, not 2 degrees retard like Lincoln made it.
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HI, yes. I got the cam gear on using the bolt that holds it. But got a new problem, the Cloyes set I got from rock auto (3079X) doesn't have the plateau on the front for the fuel pump offset cam. So now I'm back to square one. It seems anything above 'standard' replacement, ie-heavy duty, high performance, they eliminate the plateau that the fuel pump ring goes on. I'm guessing because high performance applications switch to an electric fuel pump. Enginetech makes one (TS493A) that looks like it will work but most pics for all the gear kits show the back not the front of the cam gear. calling the MFG tech dept to find out if it has plateau. I want to set the crank to "0" degrees at TDC, not 2 degrees retard like Lincoln made it.
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Use a 1 piece FP eccentric

The OEM retard is 8 degrees crank.





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Hi, Got the new Enginetec timing gears and they should work. I have seen different numbers on the ft lbs. of torque for the cam gear bolt. Is it around 80ft lbs.?
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Hi, Got the new Enginetec timing gears and they should work. I have seen different numbers on the ft lbs. of torque for the cam gear bolt. Is it around 80ft lbs.?
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Make certain that which ever timing set you use the crank gear keyway is directly below the tooth / dot. If not you will not be straight up.








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