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I took this kid under my wing that has had a rough time in life, he lost his dad when he was in grade school and has had a hard time since. Anywho he went up to Denver which is about a 6 hour trip to pick up what he thought was a 4 barrel 351 cleveland. Turns out the guy screwed him and its a weak *** 400 with an edelbrock manifold. Should I call this guy and chew him out and tell him to take the motor back or should we just try to resell it? Thats a long way to travel to take it back not to mention the gas money. What would you guys do?
 

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I would call the guy and see if he would work with you either give you some money back,take the engine back or something.He probably didnt know the diff. in the engines.
 

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call the guy and see as stated, But i doubt you'll get anywhere. I'd turn Lemons into Lemonade. Make something out of the 400. its no secret now that they have great potential.
 

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depends partly on the money spent. If the engine was $300 complete and is in good condition, I agree that you should just hop up the 400 and make lots of power. If it was $1000 and sold as a great condition 4v 351C all ready to rip up the streets, then call the guy and see what's up. Be nice at first because he may simply have honestly not known it was a 400 instead of a 4v 351c.
 

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Engine was sold as a 4v freshened up 400 hp Cleveland for $700. I dont think that any 400m with a cam and intake is worth that. The kid called the guy today and he still swears up and down its a cleveland he also says he has build reciepts. It still doesnt fly though because the block and intake are absolutley 400M.
 

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The 351/400m is not a slouch like everyone swears, I ran the snot out of mine, and it was stock, other than a 4v intake, and it would spin the crap out of the 38's that I was running with 3.50 gears, and was turning 4500 rpm, for 30-40 seconds, it did not have the greatest oil psi, but it had a 30 year old oil pump on it
 

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does it have the big block bolt pattern if it does 400 or small block pattern it a 351cid for the trans and does the heads have a 4 on the corners if they have 4s on the corners they are 4v heads but if it has 2s on the corners out side the valve covers they are 2v heads just the way i have found to tell and the 400 is wider than the 351 cid.
 

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I checked for the 4s right away and there were none. The block casting off the top of my head was something like DT7E or some such thing. I'll call this guy tomorrow and tell it like I see it.
 

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I checked for the 4s right away and there were none. The block casting off the top of my head was something like DT7E or some such thing. I'll call this guy tomorrow and tell it like I see it.
It will be interesting to hear how he responds. Keep us informed!!

I got screwed when I was starting out in the hot rodding deal. Guy said it was a 351C balanced/blue printed, TRW forged flat tops....bla bla bla.... Yeah soemthing like that:rolleyes:, but it was a virgin short block/heads. Big cam, torker intake. I paid big bucks for that STOCK engine.

I hate when people get lied to like that.

By the way, kudos for takin the kid under your wing. Thats a cool deal.

Bill
 

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Called the guy today, he was nice about it he said 2 people and his mechanic told him it was a cleveland and I told him that the casting numbers on the block indicated it was a 400m out of a 77 ford pickup. He proceded to tell me how strong it ran and that it would smoke off a set of 31" tires with 3.73 gears. I told him in a nice way that, that really isn't that impressive with 3.73 gears. Anywho he said if the kid wants to give it back give him a week and he would give his money back and take the motor. :cool:
 

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this was a face to face deal . he bought it without knowing what a 351C is ?
The bigger question is, why buy a 351C when you know what a 460 is? :D But yeah, I suspect the seller was told it was a cleveland. There's a LOT of people who classify "small block" fords as either windsor or cleveland. If it looks kinda like a cleve, it's a cleveland. 351m, 400, 351c... all clevelands.
 

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From what I can tell from this post, the seller was not lieing to you. A 400 IS a Cleveland!!

And its not a "400M", its just a 400. It is part of the Cleveland family, just bigger.

He said it was a 400 4V, which is right, its a 400 with an aftermarket intake and carb on it.

But if he's willing to take it back, then you're good to go.

$700 is not a bad price IF its rebuilt with new internal parts.

Not too many people are selling an actual 351C 4V for $700 nowdays!!
 
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