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ok i am gonna open a can of worms and i am sorry for doing so

i come on this site daily and i rilly enjoy it
this is like a famly to me and i want to keep it this way but i am wondering
why this section of this fourm has rules about what you can and cant talk about? or how you say it
i just noticed a post got locked that i was kinda into
yes it is politics but this is election time and maybe some of us like to hear pepoles opions and debate about it
i respect chilly's rules or atleast try to but this is in my opion getting out of hand
why do we have this section if we cant speak our minds
i dont like to be told what i can and cant say in what should be a place to talk about what ever or so i atleast thought
once again some pepole on here feel they are forced to read thease post's
this was about politics i didnt see anything bad about it
so i guess i cant get opions on this election or speak how i feel about it to
to pepole i consider frends
and religon? well maybe i am intersted about how some pepole feel about it like someone like brett powell and most of us know how hw feels about it but maybe if he wrote and had some advice for me or whomever and was to get religous about it maybe it would help that person
i mean you should spred the word
i am not a big beliver but i also have an open mind and have no issues with how everyone else feels
i am shure i gonna catch heck for this but if we cant all be adults on this section of this fourm than why have it?
 

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Did you have rules about what was appropriate conversation around the dinner table? How about church, do you talk about absolutely anything you would like while you're at church? Should people be allowed to say anything they please when they're around children?

Even in a "free" society, there are polite rules. They're not written in law, but common sense sorts things out for us.

Talking politics eventually leads to someone getting butthurt, holding a grudge, then spilling over into other posts. I've been at this for around seven years, trust me on this one. Just yesterday I was in a dept meeting, started out with a little lighthearted ribbing between some folks as Obama was due to visit Richmond today. Long story short, it got heated to a point that made it uncomfortable to be in the meeting after the conversation was over. In the end, what good did it do? Plenty of sites to get your political fix.
 

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thats true jon , but you know just how mad some people get just over some smack, so i do see chillys point. thats why the run this site cause there the only ones who look at things objectively
 

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i grew up with a good set of rules
and i understand what your saying chilly and i respect that
but if there is kids on here than the parents need to be responsible
about what here kids read on the internet
religon and politics are topics that always cause issues with certin pepole
i guess i myself need to watch what i say and stay away from religon topics and politics and all the above that may offend someone
and i can do that no proublem
but it dose sux casue i myself like to talk about those issues and makes me feel like fredom of spech is fading away more and more everyday

i get sometimes get offended and i am shure i offend pepole weather i know it or not but i try not to and i never mean to hurt any1
like richer69 said he just stays away from the topics he dosent care to read about
ya see you have a choice about what you read
i relize what chilly is saying about a meeting in person were you have no choice but to hear what is beening said
but on here you dontr have to click on a topic that sayd religon
politics or what ever you dont wanna read and if you do click on it
be mature enof to understand and respect what other pepoles opions are
i can beat this issue all night long and most likely dig myself a big hole with my foot in my mouth
so i respect chillys rules and i will behave but that dosent mean i want to :twisted:
 

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I agree with Chilly wholeheartedly, this site is not the place for politics or religious discussion. There are plenty of sites devoted to those topics, and that's where they should be kept.
 

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here you go that why these rules are in place


I hereby bequeath these rules to those bent on being a pain in the balls:

1) Don't be an idiot
2) Post as if you are sitting across from the "audience"
3) No religious or political posts
4) See Rule 1



Randy
 

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My post about children wasn't really intended to point out the "children" aspect, I was trying to point out that "freedom of speech" is nice as a concept, but not necessarily correct for all areas of society.

I'm pretty laid back sort when it comes to jokes and other such things. My experience with "car guys" is that by and large, they're a rougher bunch that don't get offended by such things...so I allow it. Also, to be honest, I've never had a complaint about "vulgar" jokes that I can recall, and never have seen a post blow up due to one. I have nipped a few racist jokes for obvious reasons. From what I recall of my youth, there's not a joke on here I would have balked at around age 10 and older...there's much worse stuff going around the schools. I would draw the line, as do the folks on the forum, at any porn that made it's way on here...I consider us somewhat clean cut compared to what's available out there.

I would regret any younger kid getting on here and getting some kind of unwanted "education", but I just can't imagine that happening with any regularity. Further to that point, any young kid should be supervised anyway.
 

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Chilly hasn't said it so, I will ... if you come into MY house you better be prepared to follow MY rules whether you agree with them or not.
If you don't like that, it's simply tp bad ... I have MY reasons for MY rules and what you think about them is your prerogative; SOMEWHERE ELSE :!: :!: :!:

Sometimes you just have to "call a spade a spade".
 

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chilly said:
Did you have rules about what was appropriate conversation around the dinner table?
yes! ... morals


chilly said:
How about church, do you talk about absolutely anything you would like while you're at church?
yes! ... morals


chilly said:
Should people be allowed to say anything they please when they're around children?
see above!

Even in a "free" society, there are polite rules. They're not written in law, but common sense sorts things out for us. (That is called politically correct)
Just yesterday I was in a dept meeting, started out with a little lighthearted ribbing between some folks as Obama was due to visit Richmond today. Long story short, it got heated to a point that made it uncomfortable (maybe they need to get a thicker skin and grow a pair!) to be in the meeting after the conversation was over. In the end, what good did it do? Plenty of sites to get your political fix. (if it helped advance freedom, then I don't care)

I realize that I probably just sealed my fate, but to me it is more important than anything else. I will still love my BBF even if I acn't afford to work on it right now, but I will stand up for liberty ANYWHERE I go. I have loved talking with all of you (even the ones I do not 100% agree with , but that's what makes America great)

God Bless and be steadfast!!
 

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I say keep it light and informative, if you feel the NEED to talk smack or politics, go to Yellowbullet.com. You will feel at home there! Not that it is a bad site, it's just that if need you put in your place, THEY can sure do it!
 

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rmcomprandy said:
Chilly hasn't said it so, I will ... if you come into MY house you better be prepared to follow MY rules whether you agree with them or not.
If you don't like that, it's simply tp bad ... I have MY reasons for MY rules and what you think about them is your prerogative; SOMEWHERE ELSE :!: :!: :!:

Sometimes you just have to "call a spade a spade".
I agree w/Randy 100%. This is Chilly's house,respect his rules.If it wasn't for him we wouldn't have this great forum that we love so much. I agree w/free speech,in the right place. This is a place we all can gather from all over the world and talk about our love and passion for automotive subjects and projects.Personally, I get tired of hearing about politics all the time.I will be so glad when it's overwith.I come here to talk and learn more about my love for cars and racing. I've seen what happens on here when you guy's get talking about politics,I can sense the anger in your posts. I get angry reading them and wonder what I'm even doing here reading this junk.CHILLY, Thanks for having the Balls to police this forum the correct way. Thanks Rick
 

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WFO beat me to it. You can get all the political smack talk you want over on www.yellowbullet.com . You can read for hours about people calling each other neocons, Phu*%%sticks, limp wristed bed wetting liberals, and every other crazy thing you can think of. :lol: :lol: :lol:


I don't think it is a bad idea to keep this site politic-free. There are plenty of other places to vent. 8)
 

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Problem with "some" freedom of speech.....

I have this friend, when we were younger he married this girl that everyone thought was 'loose'. She had a few kids already, he had never been married, so naturally we all thought this was doomed from the start.

It's been 30 some years since that time, most of the other guys are on their 2nd, 3rd or 5th marriage - he is still married to the same woman! Most of us had the good sense to keep our opinions to ourself (as regarding the morals of his wife). Some kept their opinon, lost a great friend and never got a chance to learn what a good family he, his wife and 'blended' family ended up making.

Some things, once said - can never be taken back, no matter how much you regret saying them.

I say it has nothing to do with Political Correctness, it just good manners and proper "Home training" - something that seems to be lacking in more people every day. You don't have to be rude to say what you want to get across. Example: I once saw this sweet, Southern belle .... in the kindest way ..... tell a loud, rude and disgusting drunk that he was born of questionable parentage, most likely of close family relatives who shared his same affection for hard liqour. She was able to discuss this 'pointedly', at length and to a degree that I lost track of time. When she finished, he was both sober and apologetic .... I think I might have seen him curtsy? Everyone in the lobby that watched and heard the conversation were amazed and impressed - to the point that they appaluded as she smiled sweetly, accepted his apology and continued on her way.

You don't need to "let it all hang out" to get your point across. I have often found that "the kindest cut ... may often be the most deadly".
 

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As I see it- there are two problems with religion/political threads, which are not likely to ever go away.

1) Tone of voice.

It's one thing to say, "Well, ______, I don't agree, because..." or "But don't you think...?"

It's a completely different thing to say "I can't believe you could be stupid enough to buy into..." or "That point of view is foolish..."

At that point, when it's clear that one person has no plans to change their personal opinions just to please the other, the discussion invariably turns into:

2) personal insults.

This has happened several times on here; one recent thread comes to mind. It's even worse on the Internet than in real life.

I hear a lot of guys say things to the effect of "I don't care (or give a #$%) what "they" say- I'm gonna say what I think is right and if somebody's offended, that's too bad 'cause I've got a right to my opinion." If that's the case, then why are they offended when someone disagrees with them? Holding others to standards, that you yourself can't be bothered to try to hold, is hypocrisy.

It also seems that a lot of guys use the "freedom of speech" card to justify simply being unpleasant, or to avoid the effort of being civil.

I'm also amused by how many differing people seem to believe they have a direct hotline to "The Truth". If someone wrote a book like the Bible 2000 years from now, it would have to be the size of the Empire State Building, because it would have so many prophets in it. :roll:

Yellowbullet.com has the "Trash Or Be Trashed" forum, in which the outside description clearly states that anything goes; pictures, jokes, language, topics...no moderation, or very little.

As far back as I can recall, five years or more, that type of forum has not existed on this board. Judging by Chilly's comments- which he has repeated in varying forms through the years- there won't be a forum like that here in the future. Bottom line....
 

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You are guaranteed the freedom of speech. Not freedom to be heard. Just because you can say it does not mean that people need to listen to it, or read it. I don't mind political or religous stuff as long as it doesn't offend, but it will eventually. If you need to visit with others here concerning this stuff, just send a PM. :wink: 8)
 

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What good is freedom of speech without freedom to offend? Just as I think the Westboro baptists have the right to spew garbage talk at funerals, I think the motorcyclists who use their bikes to drown them out are exercising their free speech rights also. I'm with those who think "click the topic if you want to and be prepared to be offended if you think it may cause you offense". Now, if a thread is severely mislabeled, that's different.
 
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